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2010-10-22
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One main difference is that the Symbian kernel also includes the baseband, the EKA2 kernel. Other phones, like all Androids and the iPhones need a separate baseband RTOS and a separate baseband CPU. This opt for less power consumption and simpler HW design already from the start.
Makes me wonder, what baseband RTOS does Maemo use? and Nitdroid (if it ever will function)?
Makes me wonder, what baseband RTOS does Maemo use? and Nitdroid (if it ever will function)?
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2010-10-23
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Originally Posted by ericsson
So, separate = less power consumption + simpler?
One main difference is that the Symbian kernel also includes the baseband, the EKA2 kernel. Other phones, like all Androids and the iPhones need a separate baseband RTOS and a separate baseband CPU. This opt for less power consumption and simpler HW design already from the start.
Makes me wonder, what baseband RTOS does Maemo use? and Nitdroid (if it ever will function)?
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separate = more power consumption + complicated?
I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that the iOS has separated kernels since it's closed down like Fort Knox?!?!???
Anyways, for Android separate is better because it means developers (custom ROM/cookers/flashers etc) can borrow resources in between different devices, example: the very recent Official 2.1 leak for the Cliq helps Jrodd to complete his Custom ROM (The Leak) for the DEXT, although that device has a different radio rom, you just flash the necessary sectors
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2010-10-23
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Jobs is right about the tablet screen size though. I would not want a smaller screen than the current ipad, it would be uncomfortable to read books, magazines etc. Hopefully his next tablet will have better resolution, 1024x768 is a bit low.
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2010-10-23
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Originally Posted by Kangal
The kernel may be closed, but the information is "open"
So, separate = less power consumption + simpler?
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separate = more power consumption + complicated?
I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that the iOS has separated kernels since it's closed down like Fort Knox?!?!???
http://rtos.com/images/uploads/EL_Ne...mber_2010.html
The iPhone 4 use ThreadX RTOS in the Infineon PMB9800, or X-Gold 618 baseband chip/cpu.
Separate = higher cost, more complex HW and higher power consumption.
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by ericsson
The information may be open, but iOS isn't open. To claim that iOS is a more open operating system (or even a more open platform) doesn't really clear fact that neither the source for the operating system (not even most of it) nor even the development process of the operating system is open.
The kernel may be closed, but the information is "open"
http://rtos.com/images/uploads/EL_Ne...mber_2010.html
The iPhone 4 use ThreadX RTOS in the Infineon PMB9800, or X-Gold 618 baseband chip/cpu.
Separate = higher cost, more complex HW and higher power consumption.
iOS can't even claim to be open so long as they have the ability to limit who can publish to the device or reach in and remotely uninstall/delete applications that they deem unworthy of distribution.
Even in terms of published information, iOS development documentation is still a very recent affair (anybody remember when iOS FINALLY release an SDK after people waved pitchforks for a long time before it finally came out?) Then it was pointed out that a LOT of things weren't documented (Apple didn't allow you to know about a lot of API's). Eventually, they trickled out more and more about those API's that Apple's apps used but nobody else could use until they allowed you to. Lately, they've been far more open with telling you their available API's, but I have to wonder if this was the result of trying to compete with the Android OS and its far, far more open platform (in every regard) than Apple's iOS.
Sorry, but iOS fails on every definition of "openness".
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2010-10-24
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Originally Posted by danramos
OK, I agree completely. I was just pointing out that the information about the baseband OS used on the iPhone 4 is available on ThreadX web page (as in openly available
The information may be open, but iOS isn't open. To claim that iOS is a more open operating system (or even a more open platform) doesn't really clear fact that neither the source for the operating system (not even most of it) nor even the development process of the operating system is open.
iOS can't even claim to be open so long as they have the ability to limit who can publish to the device or reach in and remotely uninstall/delete applications that they deem unworthy of distribution.
Even in terms of published information, iOS development documentation is still a very recent affair (anybody remember when iOS FINALLY release an SDK after people waved pitchforks for a long time before it finally came out?) Then it was pointed out that a LOT of things weren't documented (Apple didn't allow you to know about a lot of API's). Eventually, they trickled out more and more about those API's that Apple's apps used but nobody else could use until they allowed you to. Lately, they've been far more open with telling you their available API's, but I have to wonder if this was the result of trying to compete with the Android OS and its far, far more open platform (in every regard) than Apple's iOS.
Sorry, but iOS fails on every definition of "openness".
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This might also explain Jobs losing his mind... he HATES that Android is starting to steal some of the "coolness" factor away from Apple.
Heh.. I'm absolutely buying one:
http://www.tanga.com/products/the-ev...part-2-t-shirt
Heh.. I'm absolutely buying one:
http://www.tanga.com/products/the-ev...part-2-t-shirt
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Originally Posted by richwhite
Debian systems had software repositories since the beginning of time... (even slackware had).
No he didn't, my old Nokia had a 'download' section built-in before the iPhone came out.
Mac^H^H^HIphone users discovered them just a couple of years ago...
Windows users are still looking/hoping...
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Originally Posted by v13
App repository != centralized app store.
Debian systems had software repositories since the beginning of time... (even slackware had).
Mac^H^H^HIphone users discovered them just a couple of years ago...
Windows users are still looking/hoping...
Take note of 250,000 apps within 2 years time with the popular price point of $0.99. There are really powerful market forces at work here.
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Pretty much the only handsets I've seen that use an RTOS are dumbphones with very small amounts of RAM and very weak CPUs.
I will admit that I've not used a Symbian-based device, but from where I stand I'm not seeing something that provides any advantages over Linux that can't be merged in over time. I do see an OS that until recently was closed, which has undoubtedly hindered its adoption.