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2011-10-13 , 00:45
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#9511
Originally Posted by aironeous View Post
Nokia has released a workaround for developers.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

Warning: IT WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY IF YOU DO IT

OK SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT
Fhuck it, the US don't have a warranty anyway....
 

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Originally Posted by scapegoat845 View Post
Fhuck it, the US don't have a warranty anyway....
Yeah. I'm thinking about how that's a double negative for any phone I get my hands on in the US... so to Hell with it. This is the first thing I'm doing after I put in a micro-SIM.

Funny... I might get a Nokia 800 Windows Phone because of continued testing in my office. Weird.
 

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#9513
heh, pretty damn nifty, never seen forum <--> email integration like this
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4563
 

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Daperl/anyone?

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In a nutshell, Nokia didn't properly release all of the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan QML packages for Fremantle. Thus, a developer couldn't comprehensively 'write once' for both Fremantle and Harmattan. However, as an afterthought, there's a Nokia developer that is trying to remedy this.
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#9515
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Yeah. I'm thinking about how that's a double negative for any phone I get my hands on in the US... so to Hell with it. This is the first thing I'm doing after I put in a micro-SIM.

Funny... I might get a Nokia 800 Windows Phone because of continued testing in my office. Weird.
Just got my sim cutter today. Ready to go.
 

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2011-10-13 , 04:22
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
In a nutshell, Nokia didn't properly release all of the MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan QML packages for Fremantle. Thus, a developer couldn't comprehensively 'write once' for both Fremantle and Harmattan. However, as an afterthought, there's a Nokia developer that is trying to remedy this.
I was referring more to Symbian <-> Harmattan...
I'd have thought that'd be the holy grail compared to Maemo.

We already have at least some compatibility with Fremantle.
Many apps will run (w/right dependencies/libraries), just won't conform w/UI guidelines etc.

Glad to hear Nokia's working on it, but it's only a sole person?
Doesn't exactly sound like it's a much of a concern for Nokia

Do you know if he/she's tasked w/doing the same for Symbian<->Harmattan?
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
I was referring more to Symbian <-> Harmattan...
I'd have thought that'd be the holy grail compared to Maemo.

We already have at least some compatibility with Fremantle.
Many apps will run (w/right dependencies/libraries), just won't conform w/UI guidelines etc.

Glad to hear Nokia's working on it, but it's only a sole person?
Doesn't exactly sound like it's a much of a concern for Nokia

Do you know if he/she's tasked w/doing the same for Symbian<->Harmattan?
I believe that the merging of Qt Components between Symbian and Meego-Harmattan is planned. I noticed yesterday that Symbian has now got some components that were previously only available on Meego-Harmattan, so it is happening.

The bigger obstacle is the legacy code that makes Symbian a PITA. Nokia seem to be having difficulty in providing a Qt wrapper for some of the Symbian APIs, which means that you still have to mess with native Symbian C++ code. There is also the fact that many Qt APIs (particularly the mobility and multimedia stuff) seem to be forever at the beta stage, meaning you cannot use them if you want to target the Nokia Store.

For existing Symbian developers using Qt Components, it should be a relatively easy task to target Meego-Harmattan. They will simply find that they no longer need those ugly workarounds that they have been forced to use when targetting Symbian. They will shout 'eureka!' when they discover that (for example) the hardware volume keys and split-screen text input 'just work'. It's moving in the opposite direction that is the problem.

I think the main obstacle to seeing Symbian Qt applications on Meego-Harmattan is that the platform is perceived as a dead end. Symbian developers creating new applications using Qt Components may go ahead anyway, as it should be a fairly small effort, but I doubt we'll see many of the existing Symbian applications that have been written using Qt Widgets.
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2011-10-13 , 06:31
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Damn, I almost forgot to do the following... And I have my N9 since Monday...
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2011-10-13 , 07:58
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
I believe that the merging of Qt Components between Symbian and Meego-Harmattan is planned.
I noticed yesterday that Symbian has now got some components that were previously only available on Meego-Harmattan, so it is happening.
Is there a clear time-line for completion, or just some very vague goals?
Do they genuinely intend to commit & see this through aggressively, or is most of the focus shifting to WP?

The bigger obstacle is the legacy code that makes Symbian a PITA.
Nokia seem to be having difficulty in providing a Qt wrapper for some of the Symbian APIs, which means that you still have to mess with native Symbian C++ code.
Is there any sign that this will be overcome any time soon?

There is also the fact that many Qt APIs (particularly the mobility and multimedia stuff) seem to be forever at the beta stage, meaning you cannot use them if you want to target the Nokia Store.
Bizarre, when's that likely to become less of an issue?

I think the main obstacle to seeing Symbian Qt applications on Meego-Harmattan is that the platform is perceived as a dead end.
Symbian developers creating new applications using Qt Components may go ahead anyway, as it should be a fairly small effort, but I doubt we'll see many of the existing Symbian applications that have been written using Qt Widgets.
I wish Nokia would provide some strong incentives for devs to write their apps using Qt components.
For both those creating apps from scratch, and those with apps using legacy code.
We should get a nice flow-over from Symbian in the next few years.
But it won't be nearly as strong as it could be, if Nokia aggressively facilitated it
 
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2011-10-13 , 09:14
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Originally Posted by afaq View Post
Anyone seen this review from gearburn?

Their major negative point about the N9 is its OS. Apparently it's crappy and looks like Symbian. I've not heard of Gearburn and now i can see why.
Seems like they are a South African site. Did they really get their hands on one for a review? I haven't seen any other local reviews

The MyBroadband article just after the launch event was a bit better IMHO.
 
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