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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by volt
Really? Do 5800, N97, and E90 ring any bells?
Nokia still sell N810 and it is still pretty much a market leader in the underdeveloped market. But there's a big market out there where they suck. And that is on high resolution smart phones. It's a disaster that Nokia doesn't make anything that can compete with HTC in stats.
The N series is Nokias line of smartphones. The N770-810 should never have been Ns. They should have been Ts or something. The N900 is a N. It's a phone.
They are totally behind on touch smartphones. Someone mentioned the 5800. How can the screen on the 5800 or the N97 even compare to the screens of the HTC Touch HD, HTC Touch Pro2 or HTC Diamond2?
The HTC HD phones all have 3.8" 800x480 screens (245px/"). 5800 has got a 3.2" 640x360 screen (229px/"). In other words, screens are comparable in size and given their high pixel density are not that much different to look at.
Now the pricing. HTC Touch HD appears to start at $550, according to Google (if we ignore EBay scams). 5800 starts at $320 or so, almost two times cheaper than bug ridden Touch HD.
So, who is being behind here and who is being simply practical with their product line?
Enter the N900 which more than anything is, as said here, the N97 killer. More open OS than N97 and HTC. Much, much better screen than the N97 and on par with HTC. And an already exisiting software base.
I personally have been sick at going through the internet connection sharing ritual between my N810 and my HP Ipaq 514. It takes me a couple of minutes to get online and I have to click around on two devices.
The Diamond2 is 800x480 pixels on a SMALLER SCREEN than the N900.
But it seems to me it is the VERY BEST HIGH RESOLUTION SMART PHONE on the market.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by fms
The N97 and the "N900" both have 3.5" screens according to their specs. My interest in the "N900" is whether it will be a true phone and how Nokia utilizes Maemo as a phone OS.
Not much better screen, mind you. 5800 and N97 have got 3.2" screens, N900 is supposed to have a 3.6" screen, so it is somewhere between 5800 and HTC HD phones in terms of the screen size. The number of pixels matters less with such small screens as your eyes are not going to spot all these pixels anyway.
Originally Posted by fms
Not I. I think Nokia will pick a resolution that works for them and beat it to death. Look at how long they beat the 320x240 resolution in their phones.
Am I the only one starting to feel like I am watching the new megapixel race here?
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by Gorgon
Well, 320x240 wasn't "their" resolution, it was WinMobile's. Nokia tried to simply double S60 screen size from 176x208 to 354x416 but quickly backed off to cheaper mass produced 320x240 screens.
Look at how long they beat the 320x240 resolution in their phones.
My guess is that 640x360 does not have long to live either.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by Gorgon
And thankfully so... as far as software goes.
The N97 and the "N900" both have 3.5" screens according to their specs. My interest in the "N900" is whether it will be a true phone and how Nokia utilizes Maemo as a phone OS.
Not I. I think Nokia will pick a resolution that works for them and beat it to death. Look at how long they beat the 320x240 resolution in their phones.
I use a lot of locally stored web pages on my N800. I built these pages in order to quickly retrieve internet data and have it formatted correctly. These pages are based on the device being WVGA (800 x 480). I would hate to have to go through and resize each one every time the OS is updated. I can't imagine what it would be like for a software developer.
I can imagine what kind of uproar would erupt on the forums if favorite titles rendered incorrectly because of an OS change... I have already seen that first hand.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by volt
Has Amazon been sending you their secret Kindle sales figures?
Still, I would really love to have Nokia compete with the Kindle. But, you know. Hardly anybody buys the Kindle either.
I have several friends with Kindles, so my impression is different about whether Amazon sells many.
You almost seemed to be saying that Nokia had to dump the tablet because its number starts with an N, not a T, which doesn't sound right.
What bugs me is not just abandoning tablets; it is the combination of abandoning tablets AND the takeover of this forum by maemo.org at the same time.
Your comments that Nokia needs a high resolution phone are no doubt right on.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by geneven
That is definitely a result of Conspiracy headed by the Tentacled One. Now, if He could only make His Finnish minions produce another E70 (preferably OMAP3 based, most preferably running Maemo), I would happily take over any forum for Him and wreak havoc in the hearts of unbelievers! =)
What bugs me is not just abandoning tablets; it is the combination of abandoning tablets AND the takeover of this forum by maemo.org at the same time.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by fms
My point exactly. I was talking about "high resolution smart phones." The 5800 just isn't. 640x360 means much fewer pixels, much fewer characters when you're reading. And it's hardly a standard resolution either. If it compares to 800x480 in your eyes, you're trying to hard.
Really? Do 5800, N97, and E90 ring any bells?
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Easily. Yes, those HTC phones have all got 800x480 screens while 5800 got a 640x360 screen.
Also, you're mistaken about the HTC display sizes, the Diamond2 is a smaller phone.
Dimensions: 53.1 x 107.85 x 13.7 millimetres
Display_Diagonal: 3.2 "
Display+Resolution: 480 x 800
Read up on this phone and you might find that the display is popular. HTC stats are very popular. The OS isn't. Yes, the phones are bug ridden. But not because of the display!
The big thing in the phone world is that 800x480 is a new cool thing on high end touch phones. It went from none except PDAs to a whole bunch of them. Symbian trails behind. Nokia would not want Symbian to trail behind.
"Megapixel race". Pff. iPhone started a trend of big screens with low resolution. Now we get big screens with very good resolution. That's not a step in the wrong direction. The NITs would not have been as popular if they had the iPhone resolution.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by geneven
Lol, that wasn't my intention. I just ment to say the N900 seems to be more related to the other N products than the N810 was.
You almost seemed to be saying that Nokia had to dump the tablet because its number starts with an N, not a T, which doesn't sound right.
What bugs me is not just abandoning tablets; it is the combination of abandoning tablets AND the takeover of this forum by maemo.org at the same time.
My other point in there was, although not said in such clear words, that Nokia probably don't need to make a N9xx tablet quite yet because they have the N810 and not too many products trumph that.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by volt
At the same smallish screen size, it does compare to 800x480 in my eyes. I do not really care if letters in the book I am reading consist of more pixels, as long as they are smooth and readable.
The 5800 just isn't. 640x360 means much fewer pixels, much fewer characters when you're reading. And it's hardly a standard resolution either. If it compares to 800x480 in your eyes, you're trying to hard.
Also, you're mistaken about the HTC display sizes, the Diamond2 is a smaller phone. Display_Diagonal: 3.2"
That is even worse than I thought.Read up on this phone and you might find that the display is popular. HTC stats are very popular. The OS isn't. Yes, the phones are bug ridden. But not because of the display!
The big thing in the phone world is that 800x480 is a new cool thing on high end touch phones. It went from none except PDAs to a whole bunch of them. Symbian trails behind. Nokia would not want Symbian to trail behind.
"Megapixel race". Pff. iPhone started a trend of big screens with low resolution. Now we get big screens with very good resolution.
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What also hasn't been made clear is if it will be a true voice phone. That is, will the phone network connection be for data only... as shipped.
I guess the next step for us would be to watch the FCC for LJPRX-51 or 71
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