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specc	2012-04-30 , 08:42
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Then you really don't know a lot of Americans that know a damn thing. The way most folks saw it in the US - mind you, I'm in a very tech-oriented sector for the most part - all of us North Americans saw the original iPhone as just a feature phone that played your music, did some web, was at a cheaper price point than most others in regards to having wi-fi.

But smartphone? No. I save that for the Nokia 9000 as being my first introduction to a "smartphone". I think you'd see other North Americans say it was between Blackberry or Windows Mobile based phones, if not Palm to be their first foray into smartphones.

But that's probably because of who/what I work around. It's a lot like you folks here... not exactly the "normal" type of user is around me daily.

People's perception is really puzzling sometimes. In Europe (generally speaking) the iPhone is the iPhone while Android phones = smartphones. Symbian is actually much unknown. People who have used Symbian phones for years, think they got some sort of Android on their N8. With Belle they are convinced.

	danramos	2012-04-30 , 10:24
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Originally Posted by zwer

Elop was brought in to fix exactly that - execution. And 'fix' it he did - he executed Nokia quite expertly. Bravo, sir!

Elop fixed Nokia alright. Spay or neuter your CEO today!

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I don't mean this to sound anti-American but...

If you have to preamble with 'I don't mean to be/sound/etc but...', it usually means you are and intended to be or do exactly what you're trying to say you aren't. If you weren't, you would just plainly state what you're actually trying to say. Please dispense with the apologetic preambles.

Originally Posted by switch-hitter

...there are a lot of Americans that believe the iPhone was the original smartphone and unfortunately a lot of the American churnalists just regurgitate the same ignorant nonsense.

As someone that was born and lived in the United States of America, when I picture the first smartphone--I always imagined the Palm OS phones. Basically, a PDA with phone functionality was my first idea of a smartphone. ...Perhaps people here have forgotten all about Palm? I don't know where you're getting your impressions, but you're probably not an American yourself and unfamiliar with living day-to-day in and around Americans, and so unqualified to jump to such conclusions.

Oh right... and I forgot to start with, "I don't mean to be blunt, but..."

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Lumiaman	2012-04-30 , 10:58
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I don't mean this to sound anti-American but there are a lot of Americans that believe the iPhone was the original smartphone and unfortunately a lot of the American churnalists just regurgitate the same ignorant nonsense.

Like Lumiaman they seem to think a smartphone is defined by the standard of eye-candy and having half a million fart apps in their app store rather than the device's functionality.

I also think if you have an open platform like MeeGo on an unlocked device any talk of an 'ecosystem' is myopic.

Depends what you define by a smartphone. iPhone strives to do thins to you by guessing and providing you with your needs as best as it can. It works, doesn't freeze, provides seamless integration of many functions and is idiot-proof. IPhone is a smartphone. N9 is for me a dumbphone. N9 call quality is nice and threaded SMS and IM and Skype in one place is unique. But otherwise it fails, so I use N9 as my dumbphone , pretty and nice to hold. iPhone doesn't require tweaks or mods or whatever to work properly. N900 and N9 do. N900 and N9 not very smart.

	casketizer	2012-04-30 , 11:09
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Originally Posted by danramos

By contrast, ironically, my Android 2.3 running Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 STILL gets MOST of my usage even though I have several devices--some running Android, and it's not even running the latest version of Android or the fastest processor or anything. I love my Galaxy Nexus but that 7-inch form factor with a REALLY good Hummingbird processor that can still keep up really well even with NEW games is truly impressive. Once in a while a REALLY good device comes along that really earns its value--for me, that turned out to be this Tab.

My GalaxyTab GT-P1000 is also my most heavily used device. I wanted to buy the Gtab 7.7 but I can't get it here. The GalaxyTab 7 Plus N is not an attractive upgrade.

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	Dave999	2012-04-30 , 11:15
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Depends what you define by a smartphone. iPhone strives to do thins to you by guessing and providing you with your needs as best as it can. It works, doesn't freeze, provides seamless integration of many functions and is idiot-proof. IPhone is a smartphone. N9 is for me a dumbphone. N9 call quality is nice and threaded SMS and IM and Skype in one place is unique. But otherwise it fails, so I use N9 as my dumbphone , pretty and nice to hold. iPhone doesn't require tweaks or mods or whatever to work properly. N900 and N9 do. N900 and N9 not very smart.

It seems that some of you think the smart phone shall make you smarter and help you to do things you can't do otherwise. I say you make the smart phone smart, the phone is not smarter than you. So if you think a phone is a dumb phone. You just might be too dumb for that specific smart phone.

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Zoxir	2012-04-30 , 11:19
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Depends what you define by a smartphone. iPhone strives to do thins to you by guessing and providing you with your needs as best as it can. It works, doesn't freeze, provides seamless integration of many functions and is idiot-proof. IPhone is a smartphone. N9 is for me a dumbphone. N9 call quality is nice and threaded SMS and IM and Skype in one place is unique. But otherwise it fails, so I use N9 as my dumbphone , pretty and nice to hold. iPhone doesn't require tweaks or mods or whatever to work properly. N900 and N9 do. N900 and N9 not very smart.

Just saying

	zwer	2012-04-30 , 11:35
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

It works, doesn't freeze, provides seamless integration of many functions and is idiot-proof.

"If you create a system that any idiot can use, then only idiots will find it useful.

Making a process idiot-proof requires that you make it impossible for the users to make a "bad decision". You do this by either removing all decision-making from the process, limiting choices to a set of known-safe alternatives, or by assigning all decisions to someone assumed to not be an idiot. This eliminates creativity and restricts the users' actions. But it is a HumaneInterface."

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

N900 and N9 not very smart.

Then we may assume that the problem exists between the screen and your crown. PEBAYC needs to join the famous PEBKAC in this modern times.

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Lumiaman	2012-04-30 , 13:25
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Originally Posted by zwer

"If you create a system that any idiot can use, then only idiots will find it useful.

Making a process idiot-proof requires that you make it impossible for the users to make a "bad decision". You do this by either removing all decision-making from the process, limiting choices to a set of known-safe alternatives, or by assigning all decisions to someone assumed to not be an idiot. This eliminates creativity and restricts the users' actions. But it is a HumaneInterface."

Then we may assume that the problem exists between the screen and your crown. PEBAYC needs to join the famous PEBKAC in this modern times.

Which robot is smarter: the one that does things without you having to tell him what to do all the time, or the one that needs constant scripts to do what you want it to do?

YOu are smarter than that. N9 and N900 are dumbphones, with a potential, and BIG if potential, to be smart.

gerbick	2012-04-30 , 14:54
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Which robot is smarter: the one that does things without you having to tell him what to do all the time, or the one that needs constant scripts to do what you want it to do?

This isn't a good analogy. For instance, all one have to do is reference the Mars Rovers for inspiration of where the ability to tell your machine what it can/should do via scripts can outlast the intended use(s) as opposed to a "tell it all it can do, then once it has to adapt it cannot until it's told to do more" scenario as you had described.