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2008-10-01
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Interesting. According to information on that web site, the N8x0 aren't in the list of compatible devices.
It was only today that I discovered Nokia Chat among the installable applications in the application manager. (Btw: Is there a way to tell which repository an application is from?)
It seems this "application" is nothing but pre-configured XMPP-settings for the ovi.com-service. As I don't have GPS at the moment: Could anyone pls. check if it at least uses location data the way its Symbian counterpart does? Being able to transmit your current location is supposed to be part of the fun with Nokia Chat (they do it in a non-standard way, though, so including this ability with the "Nokia Chat" package would be the only thing to make it different from setting up the account as a standard Jabber one).
Oh, and: Isn't this the first time that something Nokia started for Symbian phones shows up on the tablets? I know they didn't really port an application, for the phones they needed to write a full Jabber-client, here it's only settings for the existing client... Still it's very good to see at least the same icon on the two devices. Might be a sign that shows the tablets are slowly being accepted as part of the family. Finally.
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2008-10-01
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Originally Posted by deeteroderdas
Well, this is because they list compatible devices for the Symbian chat client you can download there.
Interesting. According to information on that web site, the N8x0 aren't in the list of compatible devices.
The tablets, of course, don't use this client. They connect to "Nokia Chat" (=the service at ovi.com) via the normal Telepathy/XMPP-framework, same way as you can connect to Nokia Chat using any Jabber-client on your desktop.
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2008-10-03
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hmm...
oficialy working on maemo http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat
here in site nokia beta Tested devices is:
N95 8GB, N95, N93i, N93, N82, N81 8GB, N81, N80ie, N80, N77, N76, N75, N73, E90 Communicator, E71, E66, E65, E61i, E61, E51, 6290, 6120 Classic, 6110 Navigator, 5500, 3250, Maemo OS2008 and etc....
Last edited by falcon; 2008-10-03 at 08:02.
oficialy working on maemo http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat
here in site nokia beta Tested devices is:
N95 8GB, N95, N93i, N93, N82, N81 8GB, N81, N80ie, N80, N77, N76, N75, N73, E90 Communicator, E71, E66, E65, E61i, E61, E51, 6290, 6120 Classic, 6110 Navigator, 5500, 3250, Maemo OS2008 and etc....
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2008-10-03
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Hehe... they changed the website one day after this thread started, so when deeteroderdas replied, Maemo was not listed.
Still, as far as I understand it, Maemo-devices are compatible with the service (you can connect to the Nokia Chat server), but they of course do not run the software needed for S60-phones. The word "compatibility" is misleading here.
Even more, I could connect to Nokia Chat from day 1 on my tablet because it's a simple Jabber-Server, nothing else. The new package seems to be more of a marketing thing (making users aware that there is a chat service running at ovi.com) than an application that really does anything.
Except, of course, I'm still missing the point and the proprietary parts Nokia chose to put on top of the XMPP-service (even though there's open standards to do the same) are somehow included in the Telepathy-configuration. Given there's no settings for this when you create the account, I doubt it, though.
Still, as far as I understand it, Maemo-devices are compatible with the service (you can connect to the Nokia Chat server), but they of course do not run the software needed for S60-phones. The word "compatibility" is misleading here.
Even more, I could connect to Nokia Chat from day 1 on my tablet because it's a simple Jabber-Server, nothing else. The new package seems to be more of a marketing thing (making users aware that there is a chat service running at ovi.com) than an application that really does anything.
Except, of course, I'm still missing the point and the proprietary parts Nokia chose to put on top of the XMPP-service (even though there's open standards to do the same) are somehow included in the Telepathy-configuration. Given there's no settings for this when you create the account, I doubt it, though.
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Yes. Use apt-cache policy, e.g.
It was only today that I discovered Nokia Chat among the installable applications in the application manager. (Btw: Is there a way to tell which repository an application is from?)
apt-cache policy zip
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by TA-t3
thy. maybe I should really learn some debian basics eventually...
Yes. Use apt-cache policy, e.g.
apt-cache policy zip
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2008-10-03
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By "dpkg -x"'ing the .deb, you can find out some interesting things, like the first test build has already been made on the April 2nd 2008, then nothing until August 29th and September 2nd (the current version, 0.3).
Apart from the changelog, there's just translations, the icon, the osso rtcom profile and the binary libnokiachat-plugin.so file there, plus the glade files for the different dialogs - I think that's the same for all osso accounts plugins.
There is nothing in this package that links or calls any GPS libraries, so I guess it's just another Jabber client package with branding. Also, no display of your buddies' GPS location as far as I can see...
By the way: There is already a Jabber "standard" for GPS location publishing: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html - I think it won't be too difficult to implement that - with the added feature of not being dependent of "Nokia Chat" but being able to use it with other Jabber/XMPP clients, too.
Apart from the changelog, there's just translations, the icon, the osso rtcom profile and the binary libnokiachat-plugin.so file there, plus the glade files for the different dialogs - I think that's the same for all osso accounts plugins.
There is nothing in this package that links or calls any GPS libraries, so I guess it's just another Jabber client package with branding. Also, no display of your buddies' GPS location as far as I can see...
By the way: There is already a Jabber "standard" for GPS location publishing: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html - I think it won't be too difficult to implement that - with the added feature of not being dependent of "Nokia Chat" but being able to use it with other Jabber/XMPP clients, too.
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by benny1967
im totaly agree with you
.. because it's a simple Jabber-Server, nothing else. The new package seems to be more of a marketing thing ...
nothing than even marketing trick! Its't fully functional nokia chat , only jabber server on ovi.. hmm...
ill be regard to be posted on nokia-beta-labs full functionality nokia chat for mamo devices (with gps supporting) .... NOT THAT JOKE, but some day when version 0.3 is in an progres may be we will see this functions.... who knows ?!?
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by thp
By "dpkg -x"'ing the .deb, you can find out some interesting things, like the first test build has already been made on the April 2nd 2008, then nothing until August 29th and September 2nd (the current version, 0.3).
Originally Posted by thp
Interesting. Thanks for sharing this.
There is nothing in this package that links or calls any GPS libraries, so I guess it's just another Jabber client package with branding. Also, no display of your buddies' GPS location as far as I can see...
Originally Posted by thp
I know. People commented a lot about this and how bad it is that Nokia doesn't make use of it in the Nokia Chat Blog right after the first public release. While most questions, suggestions etc. were answered in this blog by Nokia staff, I cannot recall any Nokian commenting on this particular issue. I remember we got the feeling back then that this is something they were not allowed to talk about.
By the way: There is already a Jabber "standard" for GPS location publishing: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html - I think it won't be too difficult to implement that - with the added feature of not being dependent of "Nokia Chat" but being able to use it with other Jabber/XMPP clients, too.
The other thing is that Telepathy-developers left some hints on the web that they're planning on integrationg XEP-0080 in Telepathy. So this may lead to XEP-0080 on the tablets, which in turn might (maybe, eventually, provided there's good weather in Finland) lead to a compatible implementation in the S60-version.
Anyway... I don't see where this whole Nokia Chat thing is going. I mean they don't expect people to change from whatever account they're using to Nokia Chat, do they? It would be cool to have it as a generic XMPP-client, but the way it is restricted to Ovi makes it pretty much useless.
It seems this "application" is nothing but pre-configured XMPP-settings for the ovi.com-service. As I don't have GPS at the moment: Could anyone pls. check if it at least uses location data the way its Symbian counterpart does? Being able to transmit your current location is supposed to be part of the fun with Nokia Chat (they do it in a non-standard way, though, so including this ability with the "Nokia Chat" package would be the only thing to make it different from setting up the account as a standard Jabber one).
Oh, and: Isn't this the first time that something Nokia started for Symbian phones shows up on the tablets? I know they didn't really port an application, for the phones they needed to write a full Jabber-client, here it's only settings for the existing client... Still it's very good to see at least the same icon on the two devices. Might be a sign that shows the tablets are slowly being accepted as part of the family. Finally.