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abill_uk is offline abill_uk
2011-05-25 , 23:43
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#91
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
As a refresher, please see the licensing change requests queue.
If you look at the statement by qgil made on the 08/12/10 everything has changed within Nokia and that Licensing change requests is not only old hat but Nokia have put themselves in a position that requires change on that front.

The MeeGo project he talkes about is no longer backed by Nokia and Carston StSkeeps is giving the clear view he has no interest in Maemo any more as he has moved on to MeeGo.

As much as MeeGo has been developed it is no more than a very basic UI for the N900 and STILL requires closed source code to be opened if it stands a chance to address the N900 hardware.

Carsten posted on here only a few back and is pushing MeeGo hard without any talk whatsoever of the CSSU team and this made me sad.

Like it or not Nokia has done wrong in many peoples eyes and if the CSSU team are to be really succsessful it needs this code from Nokia UNLESS it can get away with reverse engineering of the closed components.

I would like your comments also on all of this if at all possible.

PS the more i read qgils statement the more it is all wrong now as everythting has changed within Nokia.
That statement is a complete joke now !.
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2011-05-25 , 23:49
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#92
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
As much as MeeGo has been developed it is no more than a very basic UI for the N900 and STILL requires closed source code to be opened if it stands a chance to address the N900 hardware.
Err, it already does. You still have yet to name exactly what hardware there is no support for. The last closed bits, IIRC, have been given in source form to the MeeGo project (but must be distributed binary) so support is effectively assured.

Carsten posted on here only a few back and is pushing MeeGo hard without any talk whatsoever of the CSSU team and this made me sad.
The CSSU is its own thing, any changes made to the open source bits can be reused on whatever is later built on MeeGo.

Like it or not Nokia has done wrong in many peoples eyes and if the CSSU team are to be really succsessful it needs this code from Nokia UNLESS it can get away with reverse engineering of the closed components.
Or, in time, the DE can be the basis for a Maemo replacement that won't have any closed bits. That's easier than begging Nokia to release bits they haven't in ~2+ years, or reverse engineering bits that aren't necessary anymore.
 

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2011-05-25 , 23:58
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#93
Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Err, it already does. You still have yet to name exactly what hardware there is no support for. The last closed bits, IIRC, have been given in source form to the MeeGo project (but must be distributed binary) so support is effectively assured.


The CSSU is its own thing, any changes made to the open source bits can be reused on whatever is later built on MeeGo.


Or, in time, the DE can be the basis for a Maemo replacement that won't have any closed bits. That's easier than begging Nokia to release bits they haven't in ~2+ years, or reverse engineering bits that aren't necessary anymore.
I read your post with astonishment because it is soooo wrong what you are saying.

Firstly look at the link on this thread of all the closed components and then you will see where the "no support" starts from.

Since when will Nokia "assure" support for MeeGo when it has formally announced it has dropped Meego AND Maemo alltogether for there new bonding with Microsoft.

If you honestly think Nokia will support MeeGo then your living in some dream world i assure you !.

You and i have argued on this forum relentlessly and you still keep at it only now your more subtle about it and if you really cannot see the importance of Nokia releasing all or some of the closed components source code then i am sorry for you.

The last bit of your post i have to agree with BUT time is our enemy here and once the new MeeGo handsets start to hit the market i am sure everything will go another direction and away from the N900.
 
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2011-05-26 , 00:15
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I read your post with astonishment because it is soooo wrong what you are saying.
This should be good.

Firstly look at the link on this thread of all the closed components and then you will see where the "no support" starts from.
The "Why the Closed Packages" link? I don't see how that's relevant, whatsoever, to MeeGo. They have BME. They have the SGX drivers. Large chunks of what isn't open is either partially or completely replaced and isn't relevant to the hardware. You keep saying hardware.

Now I'll go back to the last time you harped on this point, and reiterate what I asked there:

Name the hardware for which no support is available.

It's not subtle. It's not pointless. It's a direct question. If you know, then you should be able to get very, very specific. It's not hard.

Since when will Nokia "assure" support for MeeGo when it has formally announced it has dropped Meego AND Maemo alltogether for there new bonding with Microsoft.
Nokia hasn't assured support for MeeGo. They made it possible for the MeeGo project to support the N900 on its own.

If you honestly think Nokia will support MeeGo then your living in some dream world i assure you !.
Not only do I not think that, I never said that.

You and i have argued on this forum relentlessly and you still keep at it only now your more subtle about it and if you really cannot see the importance of Nokia releasing all or some of the closed components source code then i am sorry for you.
The world from your point of view must be very, very exciting. Or at least really bizzare in ways I cannot fathom, but would make for a very good absurdist film with which I could probably win first prize at the Cannes Film Festival.

The last bit of your post i have to agree with BUT time is our enemy here and once the new MeeGo handsets start to hit the market i am sure everything will go another direction and away from the N900.
Right, which is why you'd better get cracking on MeeGo and stop getting hung up over closed source bits that won't ever be opened.
 
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2011-05-26 , 00:38
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Originally Posted by godofwar424 View Post
Wait people!!! Have a look at this thread

Closed Components Thoughts

MeeGo source code will be available due to it being open, and seeing as Nokia made the DE for the N900, this means that their phone apps will all contain the code needed to help us rebuild open source replacements for maemo

Does that mean we can use the code to get Phone calls properly working within NITDroid once they release the code?
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2011-05-26 , 00:42
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wmarone please take a look at the LATEST MeeGo UI you will see for yourself its capabilities, it needs a hell of a lot of work yet and the question is even with BME and SGX what progress has it really made because many will disagree it is even a workable UI at the moment.

Have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44991 and see the dates on the posts, is over a year now, compare that with progress on MeeGo and you will see something is wrong and i think the support for MeeGo right now is not very much at all if that UI is anything to go by.
On the other hand the CSSU team have made much more progress to date.
Keep on searching and you will see a lot of reading about Intel and Nokia failing miserably on MeeGo.

I wish Carsten the best of luck because i feel he is going to need it, i have already said i will jump in when i see something worthwhile jumping in for, yes maybe a dim view but that is MY choice.

A lot is happening right now because of the Microsoft/Nokia merger and you will find everything taking a new direction including MeeGo and not forgetting Maemo.

Please do not dog this thread with argument because this is the last post of yours i will reply to ok.

I am going to edit this post and give you something to think about.....

"The "Why the Closed Packages" link? I don't see how that's relevant, whatsoever, to MeeGo. They have BME. They have the SGX drivers. Large chunks of what isn't open is either partially or completely replaced and isn't relevant to the hardware. You keep saying hardware."

They have this much of closed source so why is the current version of MeeGo for the N900 in the state it is in? laughable if you ask me so where is the proof of support here?.
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2011-05-26 , 01:09
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You would think, giving everything nokia has done lately, that one of the maemo developers would have leaked the source code.
 

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okay i think the source code should be released for many reasons it will allow the platform to grow and live on for a VERY long time, imagine any handset running maemo... Nokia can let community build its next os for them for free, no more expensive R & D work, free labour,... I believe in open source strongly because its the number one medium for innovation...

for example "Interplay & volition" the gaming studio released its "freespace 2" source engine and the modding community has made the game Bigger and Better then ever before even 10 years on...

Imagine a mobile/computing/tablet software platform run by the maemo.org community and I do believe that WE the community can give other os a good run for there money, alas one can still dream...
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2011-05-26 , 02:28
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In the history of the internet, a petition has never accomplished anything,

ever.
HTC rethinks their bootloader locking strategy due to an internet petition
 

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HTC rethinks their bootloader locking strategy due to an internet petition
If Motorola rethinks their bootloader strategy, I'll say that's something.
 
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