http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-at-nokia.aspx

The name of the site is rather ironic

Say what do you think that instead of ecosystem, we use eco$i$tem (especially if we quote Elop) in future?

I dislike to misuse of the term, what about you?

Here's one vote against dumb spelling.

Here is another: Mee Go load mee shotgun, than mee go hunt some ducks.

I will try to stick to the topic in future.

Essential, that guy from Nokia, claims they can survive.
Do you think major stakeholders will buy that?

Not for the foreseeable future.

I agree with you "gerbick". As for { "abill_uk"
I still want to know what the 2 wrongs are ! } I offer the following :

I do not know where some of you live but here in the United States, specifically NYC almost no one uses or has a Windows phone and if they do, they are definitely in the minority. Most people here use Apple, Blackberry, Android or Palm (WebOS) phones. As far as saying that "MS and Nokia are too big to fail " Well MS will continue to provide desktop OS's and Xbox gaming software to millions of people worldwide just like before they partnered with Nokia. Nokia on the other hand has more at stake because of all the bad business decisions they have made and continue to make. Honestly in my opinion, I would not buy a Windows phone again , having owned one about four years ago and a couple of different non-phone WinMobile devices prior to that phone. WinMobile has always been awkward as you have to constantly use the task manager to close each application otherwise the device slows to a crawl. In addition MS keeps releasing new versions of the mobile OS and they are not compatible with each other or the devices you have currently, so you are now stuck with an old OS in a very short time frame. I do not believe that just because Nokia is providing the hardware for WinPhone 7 or whatever they call it , is destined for success. The product launch and or collaboration of a WinPhone 7 OS phone by Nokia does not pique my interest at all. And 99 percent of all the people I know and their friends apparently are stuck on these non-windows phones as well. We all will continue to use Windows on our desktops (I also use Linux and BSD) on my home built desktops and store bought laptops and netbooks. But as far as the mobile phone OS majority I see everywhere here in NYC or any other state I go to, it is definitely Apple's iOS, Google's Android, Palm's WebOS, Blacknerry's RIM etc. Enough for now, MS will continue to chug along where as Nokia with WP7, not so sure.

lol popcorn indeed,

elop is deluded, samsung and HTC are failing with WP7.

they sales come from android.

RIM and WebOS are local US phenomenons with no value and no future. iOS and Android are world wide, but only Android is a force worth reckoning in broader terms.

Nokia/WP is a ecosystem, a complete one with HW, software, OS, everything. Such a thing will not fail for any of the reasons you people think. From day one, when the first "new" Nokia phone comes out, the ecosystem is already complete, and it will be great.

If we have a conspiracy, then the whole board must be on it and pretty much prior to the hiring of Elop (since it was their doing).

This would be a staggering amount of corruption (in which Nokia would most certainly not deserve anything but to go down in flames), and it seems very unlikely that Microsoft would instigate such a thing. Not because of morals, but because of the risk of detection this would bring with it. Microsoft is not a desperate company...

No matter how shocked I was about the news when Elop adopted WP7, I can't say that it doesn't make a certain amount of sense. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and outdated views on Microsoft as a company, so this is what I have come to understand so far:


How can it be about the ecosystem, when Symbian has more market share and apps than WP7?

I see this sentiment expressed all the time, but it also the easiest to respond to. The fact is, that Symbian is stagnating and won't cut it as a modern smartphone platform. In other words, Symbian is dying. This was already established before Elop came on board, which is why MeeGo was supposed to be Symbian's successor.

Thus, any kind of argument that compares WP7 to Symbian goes straight out the window. Nokia needed something new.

Comparing WP7 to MeeGo is obviously a different matter. Now we are talking a mature development environment, 20.000 apps in record time, and tight integration with very popular services like XBox Live, against a system that is not even out there. I honestly can't fault Elop's logic on this one.

Of course there is an argument to be made for the migration path from Symbian + Qt to MeeGo, but there is also an argument for the wealth of existing .NET developers.


But isn't WP7 even less mature than Maemo/MeeGo?

I have seen this stated as a fact a couple of times, but it's complete nonsense. Maemo 5 wasn't even in the same ballpark yet with its half-baked UI and legacy issues. Could we have reached similar maturity if we had continuously developed Maemo 5 instead of basically starting from scratch again? Possibly, but it wasn't Elop who made that decision.

The bottom line is, that Harmattan is not a more mature Maemo 5, it's a new development that is just as significant a change as WP7 was for Windows Mobile. Only that Harmattan is not out yet and didn't have a year to mature. WP7 on the other hand has been surprisingly polished and well received. While the first release lacked some significant features, these features are now being delivered before Harmattan is even out, with a bunch of new features to spare.


Is Windows Phone bad, because hardly anybody uses it?

I really dislike this hypocritical sentiment being expressed in a Linux related forum... We should know better than anybody that market share is not always equal to quality. To assess the actual quality of Windows Phone 7, you should: 1) Try it yourself 2) Check customer satisfaction among those who own it and maybe 3) Listen to reviews. "Look at marketshare" really isn't an appropriate gauge, even more so when we are talking about a newcomer.


Why not Android then?

You can argue about this until you are blue in the face, but ultimately this is a judgement call the CEO has to make. There are no obvious answers. Android may be more successful now, but we have already established that this is not a gauge of quality. The market is being swamped with customised Android phones, and it still has big issues with fragmentation and whatnot. Not to mention that it's really not as exciting as the iPhone, WP7, or even Harmattan. To be honest, I would have been even more pissed if we had been dumped in favour of Android. WP7 has a lot going for it, whereas Android mainly has going for it that it's already there and spreads like wildfire.

In this case, I believe that the fact that WP7 is not that widespread yet is actually an advantage for Nokia, because this means that Nokia can become the defining hardware platform for Windows Phone devices. It's not quite as cool as successfully running your own software, but at least it's something.


There is a lot more to say about the subject, but for the time being I probably made enough enemies.

And yes, I'm still excited about the upcoming Harmattan device. It's going to be awesome, that's also a fact.

I still have some small hope that Harmattan/MeeGo/WhateverWeAreAllowedToCallIt will be able to establish itself as a fourth player, but it's going to be very very tough. We definitely won't make it, if we keep deluding ourselves and hide from inconvenient truths behind a smokescreen of ideology and conspiracy theories.