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mikecomputing is offline mikecomputing
2011-06-14 , 23:32
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Originally Posted by Faustino View Post
Intel needed Nokia more than Nokia needed Moblin.. Maemo was just fine as it was.

If this MeeGo bullplop had never happened, how many Maemo devices would be on the market by now? Serious question by the way..
Merge with Meego maybe was a mistake. But at the same time Maemo5 is depecated lots of ugly hacks especially in UI.

so a total rewrite of UI was must.But seems this could be done without Moblin yes but if they had worked together they maybe could have pulled stuff from Maemo -> Meego but it seems this failed from start some stuff was not even allowed. And it seems like QtMobility is one example. Meego still has plenty of librarys instead of Qt some work is duplicate because of stupid decisions.

But I guess the merge with Intel was not because of moblin. More because of the "ecosystem" and make it simple to build apps for a "bigger platform" OBS buildsystem etc...

this has pissed of alot of gurus but was at the same time importan. Using scratchbox was a hell of bloated for begginers now we atleast has madde integrated in QtCreator. But still it is a bit tricky. BUT QtCreator has impoved ALOT latest months

But on thing to wonder is how much of Maemo Harmattan will be open maybe it will be more closed cause of the "new strategy" I mean take code from harmmattan an push it lback to WP8 instead
 

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2011-06-14 , 23:51
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Merge with Meego maybe was a mistake. But at the same time Maemo5 is depecated lots of ugly hacks especially in UI.

so a total rewrite of UI was must.But seems this could be done without Moblin yes but if they had worked together they maybe could have pulled stuff from Maemo -> Meego but it seems this failed from start some stuff was not even allowed. And it seems like QtMobility is one example. Meego still has plenty of librarys instead of Qt some work is duplicate because of stupid decisions.

But I guess the merge with Intel was not because of moblin. More because of the "ecosystem" and make it simple to build apps for a "bigger platform" OBS buildsystem etc...

this has pissed of alot of gurus but was at the same time importan. Using scratchbox was a hell of bloated for begginers now we atleast has madde integrated in QtCreator. But still it is a bit tricky. BUT QtCreator has impoved ALOT latest months

But on thing to wonder is how much of Maemo Harmattan will be open maybe it will be more closed cause of the "new strategy" I mean take code from harmmattan an push it lback to WP8 instead


I like the UI in Maemo 5 though.. it's the most customizable thing i've used.. i've actually reflashed my N900 3 times.. and each time i have a clean slate i have never used the same setup..

Of course things could have been improved.. they would have been... and would have been improved much quicker!

All that really needed to be improved on the N900 was

1) The hardware.. i.e speed.. faster processor/more ram..
2) A more organized and more efficient application manager (possibly less open than what is there currently)
3)Hardware again.. but a bigger better screen would be great.

That and a better UI is all that's needed...
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wmarone is offline wmarone
2011-06-15 , 00:28
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Originally Posted by Faustino View Post
Well MeeGo seems to only have hindered what Maemo had going for it... if i'm wrong i'd like to be shown why..
Because Harmattan is essentially an API-compatible version of Maemo. Maemo, as a partially open platform, had a limited future.

Maintaining an entire OS like Maemo was out of scope for Nokia, and it was in their best long-term interest to move the OS itself outside of the company, where lots of development work was happening already. They got Intel in on it, and over time it would have let them contribute to dedicated teams on the core, while reserving their in-house teams for porting work and Nokia-specific customizations (something they desperately needed to focus on.)

In the meantime, they had the inevitable issue of transitioning while not getting stuck, so Harmattan exists between Maemo and MeeGo, with the underpinnings of one and the APIs of the other. All the while, being stymied and stalled by an uncooperative bureaucracy.

He was pretty much forced into choosing WP7 because of the slow progress of MeeGo (which he is also partly to blame for.. but so is everyone else connected with it)
I think "forced" is a bit silly. Well, "forced" by a light breeze into adopting the OS of his former employer...

I don't believe, not for a moment, that Maemo/MeeGo are in any way at fault for Nokia's inability to release a device based on them for the better part of 1.5 years. That screams "internal political failures" much louder than software related issues.
 

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2011-06-15 , 00:41
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Originally Posted by cfh11 View Post
emphasis added to put this comment in the correct context.
his rumor is as good as anyone's rumor here
 
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2011-06-15 , 01:01
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#5185
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Nice? I dont know seems more like Intel is doing everything to freeze out anything coming from Nokia after MrFlop announcement
Intel didn't freeze Quim out.

I dont kknow why Intel is so pissed to get contributins I thougt it was open ssource butl it looks more like its going to be an intelonly project at the end and that is no good!
What???

I hope I am wrong but following mailinglist and IRC a bit make me wonder what is going on.
Every statement I see from you tells me you're not actually following.

I dont wanna spread FUD just my opinion.
Your statements are far more FUD than fact.
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2011-06-15 , 01:14
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Because Harmattan is essentially an API-compatible version of Maemo. Maemo, as a partially open platform, had a limited future.

Maintaining an entire OS like Maemo was out of scope for Nokia, and it was in their best long-term interest to move the OS itself outside of the company, where lots of development work was happening already. They got Intel in on it, and over time it would have let them contribute to dedicated teams on the core, while reserving their in-house teams for porting work and Nokia-specific customizations (something they desperately needed to focus on.)

In the meantime, they had the inevitable issue of transitioning while not getting stuck, so Harmattan exists between Maemo and MeeGo, with the underpinnings of one and the APIs of the other. All the while, being stymied and stalled by an uncooperative bureaucracy.


I think "forced" is a bit silly. Well, "forced" by a light breeze into adopting the OS of his former employer...

I don't believe, not for a moment, that Maemo/MeeGo are in any way at fault for Nokia's inability to release a device based on them for the better part of 1.5 years. That screams "internal political failures" much louder than software related issues.

I agree with some of what you say.. but.. in terms of software, MeeGo has failed Nokia.. this canot be denied.. it might be potentially a great operating system.. but the software engineers and developers have so far failed.

WP7 may not be ideal.. it could turn out to be a huge mistake.. but at least Microsoft has the resources and talent to improve on what's there at the moment..

When or if a meego device is ever released.. how long is it going to take to get a firmware update?? The thought scares me...
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2011-06-15 , 02:01
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
I dont wanna spread FUD just my opinion.
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Your statements are far more FUD than fact.
 
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2011-06-15 , 02:39
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Ok, that didn't come out right.
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2011-06-15 , 05:19
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Originally Posted by Faustino View Post
in terms of software, MeeGo has failed Nokia.. this canot be denied.. it might be potentially a great operating system.. but the software engineers and developers have so far failed.
That's pretty much an outright insult towards people who have no control over what Nokia does. You're basically blaming them for Nokia moving off to WP7, when there was likely nothing they could do whatsoever.

When or if a meego device is ever released.. how long is it going to take to get a firmware update?? The thought scares me...
I know, the unknown is quite scary so the best thing to do is make up scary things and be scared.
 

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2011-06-15 , 07:53
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I am being invited to the June 21st event held at Nokia Australia head office in Sydney. Haven't got the official invite email yet but should be receiving it soon as she told me PR should be sending it out today/tomorrow. I really hope it is about what we all want to know about! (There is a chance I can't make it though as I'm working that day. Hope it's a night event....)
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