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2011-06-17 , 10:10
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#5411
Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Most people I know hate to be preached at...

My point was that most people that are clueless toward maemo/linux/foss are probably just not interested.

So you can preach all you want, but they may not want to hear you at all...
How many people you know like adds? are interested by adds? want to hear adds?
Yet billion and billions are spent on advertising each year, so it might still work.
I still disagree on the fact that you have to align your interests on others. Companies don't.
 

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Originally Posted by kanishou View Post
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"Don't use devices with closed source drivers" is not going to be high on most people's list of battles to fight, and that is for rather good reasons.
it may not be high on most consumers' lists, but on the lists of
- developers (Richard Green, Feb 2011, Nokia Developer Conf.)
- early-adopter tech geeks (Jo Harlow Executive Vice President, Smart Devices. Nokia)

EDIT: since when are "disruptive technologies" aimed @ consumers?
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2011-06-17 , 10:23
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Originally Posted by erendorn View Post
How many people you know like adds? are interested by adds? want to hear adds?
Yet billion and billions are spent on advertising each year, so it might still work.
I still disagree on the fact that you have to align your interests on others. Companies don't.
Do you know how (companies behind the) ads align their interests with the consumer's so they get their airtime? So they can force the consumers to look at the ads and be force-fed their commercial messages?

Basically they fund the shows.

The shows don't pay for themselves.
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2011-06-17 , 10:25
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Since the moment they are introduced within an appealing, highly polished, mass-market oriented device

I'm not saying that the N9 is all this, just commenting on that a disruptive technology can and actually has been aimed at consumers in the past. Both Nokia and Apple are good examples of it, each at its time.
 
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2011-06-17 , 10:29
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Do you know how (companies behind the) ads align their interests with the consumer's so they get their airtime? So they can force the consumers to look at the ads and be force-fed their commercial messages?

Basically they fund the shows.

The shows don't pay for themselves.
how about this?
the disruptive technology to be announced in Singapore IS the advertisement to put back in the consumers' mind the association of NOKIA with technological progress in the smart phone market?
or in short, they are not ready to sell massive numbers of smart devices, but they are preparing their return.
 
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2011-06-17 , 10:30
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Originally Posted by misterc View Post
EDIT: since when are "disruptive technologies" aimed @ consumers?
Since forever.

I am confused by your statement actually, what else would it be aimed at?

By the way:

Generally, disruptive innovations were technologically straightforward, consisting of off-the-shelf components put together in a product architecture that was often simpler than prior approaches. They offered less of what customers in established markets wanted and so could rarely be initially employed there. They offered a different package of attributes valued only in emerging markets remote from, and unimportant to, the mainstream.
You've got your definition of the iPhone and iPad right there.
 
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2011-06-17 , 10:35
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Do you know how (companies behind the) ads align their interests with the consumer's so they get their airtime? So they can force the consumers to look at the ads and be force-fed their commercial messages?

Basically they fund the shows.

The shows don't pay for themselves.
I fail to see how that makes advertising less effective???
 
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Disruptive technology is by definition the kind of technology that makes products based on existing technologies obsolete in a very short time (like over one night).

Disruptive technology is every companies dream. In the past 20 years this term has finally reached the masses - it became a fancy buzz words (much like eco$i$tem is becoming now), and therefore it makes sense for a company with sufficient marketing resources to announce such technology for marketing reasons, because it promotes the company as technology leader (why buy Apple when it is Nokia that is the technology leader? Apple is not cool enough anymore).
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Originally Posted by sunwong View Post
Since the moment they are introduced within an appealing, highly polished, mass-market oriented device

I'm not saying that the N9 is all this, just commenting on that a disruptive technology can and actually has been aimed at consumers in the past. Both Nokia and Apple are good examples of it, each at its time.
don't agree w/ rotten iPotatos (iPhone?) being disruptive technologies.
long before the 770 / N8x0 or the 7710 were pure touch screen phones (& except for the N810s, without kbds), thus the technology wasn't introduced by rotten iPotatos.
they just picked it up & put it in a nice looking device.
just like the MacIntosh interface wasn't "created" by Apple, back in the 80s.
Xerox @ PARC came up w/ the idea.

NOKIA, disruptive technologies?
yeah, maybe
where do you draw the line?
770? yes, still disruptive technology
N8x0s? same
77x0? probably wasn't supposed to be only a technological showcase, was it?
Communicators? disruptive technology? precursors of the smart devices?

EDIT: N900 ???
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Originally Posted by kanishou View Post
Since forever.

I am confused by your statement actually, what else would it be aimed at?

By the way:



You've got your definition of the iPhone and iPad right there.
i quote your quote

They offered less of what customers in established markets wanted and so could rarely be initially employed there
my point, exactly
 
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