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2011-07-25 , 02:14
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the war is over. China is only eating Apples.....amazing success

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/te...titors.html?hp
 
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2011-07-25 , 02:54
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
the war is over. China is only eating Apples.....amazing success

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/te...titors.html?hp
I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.
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2011-07-25 , 03:04
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The cake is a lie?
 
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2011-07-25 , 06:15
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
The cake is a lie?
I wish the MANGO was a lie.
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2011-07-25 , 06:28
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
I wish the MANGO was a lie.
Don't forget I have a WP7 device. Mango needs to happen, then it will be compared even more heavily and Nokia will see what they're dealing with as their future choice.

And honestly, really digging the UI so far. But this isn't an OS I'd bet on if I were Nokia.
 

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2011-07-25 , 07:31
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Don't forget I have a WP7 device. Mango needs to happen, then it will be compared even more heavily and Nokia will see what they're dealing with as their future choice.

And honestly, really digging the UI so far. But this isn't an OS I'd bet on if I were Nokia.

and theythink gotta hit 5m sales.. but i dont expect much really.

nokia needs a over few devices will need several jesus phones. over the next year to keep marketshare.
 

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2011-07-25 , 08:29
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
As I said above, judge him after 3 years. Every change brings anxiety, and pessimism.
NOKIA haven't got three years, due to Elop's duplicity NOKIA's assets are now worth more than the company which means they are in real danger of being bought and asset stripped. My bet is M$ will get NOKIA's IPR and Elop will return to Ballmer's loving embrace and even more M$ shares.


Originally Posted by danramos
You'll notice that Microsoft STILL hasn't won any such patent cases even against HTC regarding Android, nevermind Linux and kernel. Microsoft often likes to strike up the war drums and litigate about patents and that sometimes leads to licensing settlements whether they're authentic or not.

I think the point he was trying to make is that if MeeGo ever does get popular enough, even THOSE handset makers would be similarly threatened.
I think there's another difference here, Google have made it the manufacturers responsibilty to defend patent claims against Android but Intel have stated they would use their own extensive patent portfolio to defend MeeGo against patent challenges.


Originally Posted by tso
Not sure i see the issue with question 1, as i think the carriers are primarily a issue in USA. If we let carriers dictate, thing are heading for "acoustic couplers" very quickly...
Carriers ARE in control, they forced NOKIA out of the US market in 2004 and NOKIA's absolutely disastrous figures for last quarter are because Elop has caused NOKIA to lose carrier support everywhere.


Originally Posted by Rugoz
Well symbian has been killed now. It still eludes me how they could abandon the reasonable strategy to bridge symbian and meego with Qt. Developers could start making apps for meego and continuing improving the ones for symbian. I mean they worked for years on this and stopped before the finish line, how stupid.
I agree. I was trying the beta of Qt Creator with QtQuick and I thought it was excellent.
 

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2011-07-25 , 09:29
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
I think there's another difference here, Google have made it the manufacturers responsibilty to defend patent claims against Android but Intel have stated they would use their own extensive patent portfolio to defend MeeGo against patent challenges.
Wow! I hadn't heard that! Intel has an indemnification for hardware manufacturers? Is it ONLY Intel that made that promise or is there some MeeGo-wide requirement to provide indemnification? Where did you see that? If that's true--that's a pretty big bucket of WIN for MeeGo and huge PR points for Intel (potentially all involved).
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2011-07-25 , 09:43
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
NOKIA's absolutely disastrous figures for last quarter are because Elop has caused NOKIA to lose carrier support everywhere.
Stop this nonsense, please. Nokias smartphones today are Symbian. Except from the N8 and the rather niche-ish E6, Nokia is not competitive against Android or iPhone. That is the truth, and it has nothing to do with Elop. Carrier support? All Nokia phones can be purchased with full carrier "support" (and without it) world wide - except the USA, and Elop had no saying in those decisions.

Nokia has deliberately crippled their smartphones. This is done based on some lunacy deep inside Nokia, complete lack of competence, and has nothing to do with Elop. EDoF alone has probably killed half of Nokias sales of smartphones, maybe more. Nokia has had all the time in the world to make a good line-up of Symbian phones, but they ****ed up, they completely and utterly ****ed it up.
 
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2011-07-25 , 10:02
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it's ELOP fault

live with it.
 
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