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abill_uk is offline abill_uk
2011-08-05 , 07:37
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What we are fighting here is the survival of Maemo and although cssu has made a stab at it, in my opinion it has much more work to be accomplished before it can be classed as a working os.

NO disrespect to anyne who has either worked on or is still working on cssu.
 
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2011-08-05 , 07:52
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#332
Back to the topic.

We all know we can replicate privately some of the maemo content. That is a reasonable precaution for each individual member.

What about replicating the content outside the Nokia's infrastructure?

I would appreciate if we could avoid following situations within this topic:
  • "I've told you so, now we are all doomed"
  • Announcing dead-end, without exploring the options, or contacting entities that may have power to help.
  • Troll and anti-troll remarks (try to think about it as a static noise)
  • Instructions on how to add member to ignore list
  • Pointless remarks toward Nokia, no matter how we feel, what is done is done.

Complaining about things that don't/won't work is useless. Let's focus on what can be done in:
  • short term - securing the resources, infrastructure, founding...
  • long term - future development: define what that would be...
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2011-08-05 , 08:11
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Originally Posted by smoku View Post
Another thread lost. R.I.P.

....PLONK
smoku,

pls, don't be so sarcastic
that thread is the mega phoenix of all threads.
abill & me have (partly in overtime & over boost) been busy trying to lose this thread for so long, can't be bothered to count them anymore

this being said, this thread is far from lost.
i'd even go a step further... it is in my opinion the 1st thread ever to get somewhere

namely:
are you, freemangordon and whoever else is working on CSSU:
-a- willing
-b- technically in a state
to provide open source alternatives to the closed components of Maemo?
it's nice to tweak fremantle, but what's the point if it ceases to be possible to download official firmwares?

so, my list of priorities...
  • gather all the open sourced code
  • create open sourced alternatives to the closed sourced components
  • generated a open source firmware
once we got that, it will be down to practical details to see how or where we can set up a primary repository and mirror it, if need be (that is, if there is enough interest justifying the costs involved)
 

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2011-08-05 , 08:18
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#334
My understanding is that situation with binary blobs/closed source components should be cleared first. May I ask the council to contact Nokia on that regard. Maybe they (Nokia) have an option none of us has tought about.

Once we have clear picture on the above it will be much easier to find the correct further direction.
 

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2011-08-05 , 08:21
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Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
My understanding is that situation with binary blobs/closed source components should be cleared first. May I ask the council to contact Nokia on that regard. Maybe they (Nokia) have an option none of us has tought about.

Once we have clear picture on the above it will be much easier to find the correct further direction.
thank you for this.
looking forward to your feedback (even if it isn't Go! Go! Go!)
 

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2011-08-05 , 08:23
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Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
My understanding is that situation with binary blobs/closed source components should be cleared first. May I ask the council to contact Nokia on that regard. Maybe they (Nokia) have an option none of us has tought about.

Once we have clear picture on the above it will be much easier to find the correct further direction.
You do realise that THIS is exactly what we are trying to make happen , why we are all seemingly arguing on here and seemingly we ALL want the same thing to happen?????.
 
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2011-08-05 , 08:23
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Originally Posted by misterc View Post
create open sourced alternatives to the closed sourced components
That will hold the water until we encounter problem with closed-source drivers.
Any suggestions on how to do this?
  • Negotiating with Nokia to open the source (probably will not work)
  • Legally obtain technical documentation from Nokia/other vendors and implement open source alternatives.
  • Reverse engineering (this can be very painful).
  • Negotiating with Nokia to provide updated closed source binaries (this is something stskeeps got tasked to do for N900)
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2011-08-05 , 08:33
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
That will hold the water until we encounter problem with closed-source drivers.
Any suggestions on how to do this?
  • Negotiating with Nokia to open the source (probably will not work)
  • Legally obtain technical documentation from Nokia/other vendors and implement open source alternatives.
  • Reverse engineering (this can be very painful).
  • Negotiating with Nokia to provide updated closed source binaries (this is something stskeeps got tasked to do for N900)
Are you aware that stskeeps was given all the closed binaries for the N900 from Nokia ?.
 
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2011-08-05 , 08:39
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
You do realise that THIS is exactly what we are trying to make happen , why we are all seemingly arguing on here and seemingly we ALL want the same thing to happen?????.
abill,

this isn't only about a todo list.
this is a community of ppl doing whatever they do for free.
you may fire an employee if he doesn't do what he is asked to do a number of times, but not in an open source community.
nobody ever said that open source was the easiest way to develop from an organisational point of view.
talking of LF...
but even so, maybe the way NOKIA has set up Maemo.org is the best way to go. or was, as long as they were actively supporting it with regular releases of "closed source stuff" that is.

living with the uncertainty of how long this is going to continue to be possible respectively moving to a situation where Maemo wouldn't depend on those "regular release" is stressful and maybe the real challenge @ hand...

EDIT: as to the 0 & 1s... binary is only of limited use because
  • release they are build/compiled for
  • except reverse engineer the logic, hardly anything can be done with them from a dev point of view
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2011-08-05 , 08:40
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#340
Are you aware that you are wasting precious oxygen that can be used more productively elsewhere, like in putting rain forests on fire?

Are you aware that Stskeeps is under NDA, like he told YOU many times before?
 
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