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2011-08-10 , 21:30
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#91
Originally Posted by volt View Post
JUST STOP.



No, really, just stop.



For Nokia to sell even a million of these, they would have to produce a million of them. If you believe they will produce a million units, you are, sir, the only one person in the world who does so.

Nokia isn't selling this phone, they're hiding it. You claim it's being sold throughout Europe. Not throughout Western Europe, it isn't.

Amazon sells throughout Europe. Let's compare.
There's an Amazon.co.uk - UK is missing from the Availability list.
There's an Amazon.fr - France is missing from the Availability list.
There's an Amazon.it - Italy is missing from the Availability list.
There's an Amazon.de - Germany is missing from the Availability list.

Okay, so in no EU market large enough to be mentioned on Amazon.eu. How about the rest of the world?

There's an Amazon.com - USA is missing from the Availability list.
There's an Amazon.ca - Canada is missing from the Availability list.

HIT: Oh, Amazon.cn might one day sell the N9. If you're comfortable ordering in Chinese.

There are 196 countries in the world, including South Sudan and Taiwan. The N9 Availability list holds 24 countries.

There's no North America, there's hardly any Western Europe, there's no India, there's no Africa, they're not going to put it out for sale here in my puny little northern country, and guess what...

They aren't calling it an iPhone killer. There's your hint right there. There's not even a viral marketing campaign going on.
You missed the point. You are also wrong, that list only contain a small fraction of the total countries the N9 is sold. The point was (and still is), WP-Nokia has to sell like no other newcomer has ever done before in the history of mobile phones, to have a fighting chance to sell more than the N9 - and - the second point was that the N9 will be introduced to much more people than WP-Nokia.

They will produce the number of N9s according to the demand. Nokias WP aren't even produced by Nokia. They have more production capacity for the N9 than WP many times over. Just because you aren't capable of having several thoughts in your head at the same time, doesn't mean Nokia has this restriction.
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2011-08-10 , 21:34
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#92
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
You know too little to talk so much.


If I had a quote book, this would be in it.
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2011-08-10 , 21:36
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I think it will be sold in US but it will be launched in Asia first, Asia is where the volumes are and they don't really care about the underlying OS etc, it should be good looking and be fancy and should be from Nokia, these volumes will generate them cash they need the most at the moment. Buyers in US and other countries in the west are bit fussy about many things on phones or any other electronic gadgets therefore if the Asian launch is not successful they will never release N9 anywhere else or maybe only through daily deals website if they have stock
 
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2011-08-10 , 21:38
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
OK, I give you a brake. But why should this be optimistic? The US has about 300 million inhabitants. 95% have a phone. If WP obtain a market share of 20%, which is a very optimistic estimate of Q4 2012, then this is only about 57 million units (in total). Let's be optimistic again, and say Nokia will sell 40% of those units. Then we have 23 million units sold. 23 million units sold by Q4 2012 is very optimistic. In Europe it sell a bit less, since it will only go to a selected few countries from the start, lets say 10 million units.

So 33 million units in total world wide by Q4 2012 is a somewhat believable but (overly) optimistic estimate for Nokia-WP.

The N9 will be sold throughout Europe, it will be sold in Brasil and Argentina, Russia, Malaysia, Hong Kong etc etc - and - China. That is at least a population of 2 billion human beings. For the N9 to beat this overly optimistic estimate, it only needs a market share of 1.7 percent. In most of those countries there are more than one phone per citicen.

Way too simplified this, but what is more optimistic? Harmattan is far from dead.
Where did I put that Godzilla Facepalm?!

They wont even make 100000 N9's and you claim they will sell millions? Thats not optimism thats denial.
 

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2011-08-10 , 21:43
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And the abill_uk tittle for this week goes to...(standing ovation)...ericsson!
 

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2011-08-10 , 21:45
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Where the **** did you come up with this nonsense?

I've seen some idiotic banter from you, however this is a new level of ignorance. You know too little to talk so much.
LOL, you and danramos are just too predictable, still you surprise from time to time with your lack a finer sense of humor. But you are right, the number is actually closer to 73%
 
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2011-08-10 , 21:46
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
You missed the point. You are also wrong, that list only contain a small fraction of the total countries the N9 is sold. The point was (and still is), WP-Nokia has to sell like no other newcomer has ever done before in the history of mobile phones, to have a fighting chance to sell more than the N9 - and - the second point was that the N9 will be introduced to much more people than WP-Nokia.
No, you missed the point.

JUST STOP.

You're in a different reality than Nokia, and we don't want you to confuse any more people. Nokia aren't making these phones you tell us they're going to sell. And after not making them, they also aren't yet talking about them. They aren't generating any hype about the phones they won't be selling. There's no marketing preparing the markets that aren't getting them. The only reasonable explanation that they are making the N9 at all is because over several years it was clearly stated that they WOULD and too many Nokians had a lot of pride hanging on it. Ditching it just before release would have caused a major internal war.

Elop and Weber are on a Mission to Save Nokia by selling Windows Phones in the USA. The N9 is a distraction from their plans.
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2011-08-10 , 21:54
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Originally Posted by vivmak View Post
I think it will be sold in US but it will be launched in Asia first, Asia is where the volumes are and they don't really care about the underlying OS etc, it should be good looking and be fancy and should be from Nokia, these volumes will generate them cash they need the most at the moment. Buyers in US and other countries in the west are bit fussy about many things on phones or any other electronic gadgets therefore if the Asian launch is not successful they will never release N9 anywhere else or maybe only through daily deals website if they have stock
Exactly. Anyone believing otherwise have no idea what is going on - no idea at all. When the Chinese gets hold of this, it's rock n roll.
 
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2011-08-10 , 21:56
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Maybe Eldar was right... only 92 000 pieces of jewels...
 
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
LOL, you and danramos are just too predictable, still you surprise from time to time with your lack a finer sense of humor. But you are right, the number is actually closer to 73%
Say something humorous and we'd probably laugh at the joke.

So far, I've been laughing at the joke...
 
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