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2011-08-12
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Nokia is regrouping and will comeback. However, it's to early to say to what state. Many of you seems pretty sure this is a bad thing. But what you don't seem to care about is that the board of directors as well as the main shareholders want this change. Elop could not have done this buy himself. In the short term it seems as a useless strategy, but wait five years and see were nokia is. Nokias stockvalue is low, but the cash in the company is still valid even with some losses during the last Q. They still have the biggest marketshare so don't be so hasty to pull the trigger.
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2011-08-12
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I completely agree, most users do not have concerns about their phone being closed-source.
Nevertheless, the following aspects *do* matter and explain why the N9 woud potentially succeed in the market:
- Attractive design and UX: sexy colors, clean/elegant/innovative UI
- Good range of applications (Elop's argumentation): default applications cover much uses, portofolio can potentially grow very fast thanks to the excellent Qt-based SDK (providing the platform receives a real commitment...)
- User pride (more important that marketing): in that area, the new Meego-OS clearly beats Microsoft, which tends to have a very bad image
Even if the N9 is coming late, it has a lot of potential and performs very well in all the areas which make the difference, making it a solid Iphone rival.
That's why Nokia's decision is frustrating. Of course, this forum is mostly about a geak perspective. But from a market perspective, it is frustrating because a very promising product may disappear, probably because of political reasons.
Last edited by bwalter; 2011-08-12 at 12:52.
Nevertheless, the following aspects *do* matter and explain why the N9 woud potentially succeed in the market:
- Attractive design and UX: sexy colors, clean/elegant/innovative UI
- Good range of applications (Elop's argumentation): default applications cover much uses, portofolio can potentially grow very fast thanks to the excellent Qt-based SDK (providing the platform receives a real commitment...)
- User pride (more important that marketing): in that area, the new Meego-OS clearly beats Microsoft, which tends to have a very bad image
Even if the N9 is coming late, it has a lot of potential and performs very well in all the areas which make the difference, making it a solid Iphone rival.
That's why Nokia's decision is frustrating. Of course, this forum is mostly about a geak perspective. But from a market perspective, it is frustrating because a very promising product may disappear, probably because of political reasons.
Last edited by bwalter; 2011-08-12 at 12:52.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
Sure we can't say how it will turn out but for an investment they chose high risk and uncertainty in a bid for higher reward. i know they are in transition but it isn't working so far, everything is down since the change and the things they wanted to reduce (like R&D) are up.
Nokia is regrouping and will comeback. However, it's to early to say to what state. Many of you seems pretty sure this is a bad thing. But what you don't seem to care about is that the board of directors as well as the main shareholders want this change. Elop could not have done this buy himself. In the short term it seems as a useless strategy, but wait five years and see were nokia is. Nokias stockvalue is low, but the cash in the company is still valid even with some losses during the last Q. They still have the biggest marketshare so don't be so hasty to pull the trigger.
What makes it worse is that their marketshare is meaningless. It is meaningless to developers, it is meaningless to them in terms of profit, and it is slowly becoming meaningless in terms of brand awareness. So I ask, what good is unit marketshare?
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2011-08-12
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I had quick hands on with the white N9 prototype at the night club couple of days ago. Now I am quite sure that white will be one "secret" color choice.
Really slick and nice phone. There is around 70-80% change I will buy it. Though I am not gonna pre-order it.
Last edited by jmk; 2011-08-12 at 13:53.
Really slick and nice phone. There is around 70-80% change I will buy it. Though I am not gonna pre-order it.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by bwalter
Nokia has always had different product for different markets. It's the same with Samsung, LG, SE and so on. Besides, this is old news. I have told you a month ago how this is. NA, UK, Ge, NL, Fr and ES will get WP, everywhere else the N9 will be launched. It's as simple as that.
I completely agree, most users do not have concerns about their phone being closed-source.
Nevertheless, the following aspects *do* matter and explain why the N9 woud potentially succeed in the market:
- Attractive design and UX: sexy colors, clean/elegant/innovative UI
- Good range of applications (Elop's argumentation): default applications cover much uses, portofolio can potentially grow very fast thanks to the excellent Qt-based SDK (providing the platform receives a real commitment...)
- User pride (more important that marketing): in that area, the new Meego-OS clearly beats Microsoft, which tends to have a very bad image
Even if the N9 is coming late, it has a lot of potential and performs very well in all the areas which make the difference, making it a solid Iphone rival.
That's why Nokia's decision is frustrating. Of course, this forum is mostly about a geak perspective. But from a market perspective, it is frustrating because a very promising product may disappear, probably because of political reasons.
This doesn't mean it is a problem getting the N9 if you want one. The problems are only in your heads, and they are created because you are thinking like a bunch of fanboys and drama queens.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by Cue
agreed. Just saying, if you have been in the game for a while these restructuring processes happens to all large companies with 20-40 years interval. If you haven't seen it before you might start crying and scream like lots of poeple doing atm.
Sure we can't say how it will turn out but for an investment they chose high risk and uncertainty in a bid for higher reward. i know they are in transition but it isn't working so far, everything is down since the change and the things they wanted to reduce (like R&D) are up.
What makes it worse is that their marketshare is meaningless. It is meaningless to developers, it is meaningless to them in terms of profit, and it is slowly becoming meaningless in terms of brand awareness. So I ask, what good is unit marketshare?
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by danramos
Well, the only argument against this is that there is the danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Either way, who am I kidding. If this community could really sway Nokia's thinking we wouldn't be in this position in the first place. So I would suggest that if you really want the N9, can find it and afford it, buy it. It doesn't really matter...
Stop the dependence on Nokia. Go out and get something else. ANYTHING else, at this point. :P
I've become more convinced that the MISTAKE is to buy an N9 hoping to prove Elop wrong. I'm far more convinced that not buying anything Nokia will prove him to be FAR, FAR more wrong and very much more likely to get booted out and someone else get in there to reverse these stupid mistakes....
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2011-08-12
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For all you impatient children on this thread i will have a few for sale some time towards the end of the month so keep hold of your nappies for another day 
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
Damn, he is back from the prison.
For all you impatient children on this thread i will have a few for sale some time towards the end of the month so keep hold of your nappies for another day
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