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2011-08-15 , 00:26
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#4161
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Care to elaborate a bit on your data?

My concern is that the board has been taken advice from the same bunch that thought EDoF was a bright idea.

Look at the sate of Android now. The only ones making money on Android are Samsung, HTC, ZTE and Huawei. The only reason they make money is they have high priced "flagship" devices that sell well regarding Samsung and HTC, and extremely cheap but good enough devices from ZTE and Huawei. Very soon ZTE and Huawei will take over the flagship throne with much cheaper devices than Samsung and HTC.

That is the future for Android, a place where competition is only driven by cost. WP has a different future, a future where value added software and services will drive hardware in a different direction toward quality and usability, not very unlike Apples approach, yet different in some key aspects. It is not without reason none of the big names have given up on WP despite the rather cool first year.

IMO the success of Nokia in the future is tied directly to how much they want WP-Nokia to succeed and how hard they (Nokia and MS) work do make it happen. The rest, data and whatever, is secondary.
Data to the consumer is secondary, but to Nokia, it should be king. The data I am talking about is their share prices and sales of both its handsets and its future OS on other handsets, which have all plummeted. Not sure I follow your other paragraphs though. Is this in the eyes of the consumer or Nokia? Your prediction of Androids future, offering a range of price points, is actually Nokias past, a past that sent Nokia to the top. I also don't see the relevance since WP is the same, the limited number of handset manufacturers that use it offer a number of handsets at a range of prices, competing in price. So I'm not sure how this can be turned into a good or bad point regarding WPs future yet alone Nokia's.

I'm not ruling out a big success story but I'm not sure what you expect of the Nokia/WP7 partnership as a consumer or investor.
If I had to make a prediction it will be based on market reactions to the products that both Nokia and Microsoft create now. To expect anything different would not be based on data or logic but wishful thinking (of failure or of success) that may or may not turn out to be true.
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2011-08-15 , 00:41
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Originally Posted by unfuccwittable View Post
What do you base this on?
The recent stagnation/decline of Nokia's fortunes and the poor track record of Microsoft in mobile devices. Then there's the so far lukewarm reception to WP. So we have a few pointers to failure, but no pointers to success. Simply a blind faith in the idea that two big corporations can't possibly fail.
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2011-08-15 , 01:14
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Originally Posted by unfuccwittable View Post
What do you base this on?
Microsoft doesn't quite have a glowing history of positive deals in the mobile area...

It's all speculation so far, but history tends to repeat itself. Let's hope not this time.
 

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2011-08-15 , 01:59
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
y'all must have never seen Hackers, where the phone is tapped(meaning the hangup switch is manipulated to emulate the pulse dialing)

So, yes, this device does have a small ability to be used in an unintended way. Whether that is a bug or feature, depends on who you ask
 
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Phone phreaking is a flaw on the network side, not on the device itself.

You guys are looking at it way wrong in that one regard.
 

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2011-08-15 , 03:02
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Phone phreaking is a flaw on the network side, not on the device itself.

You guys are looking at it way wrong in that one regard.
I guess so, but I liken the above 'hack' to changing browser user agent or maybe using a proxy which I think most would consider client side hacks nowadays. Of course, what you are hacking is the network, but where you 'do' something different is the client side.

just for kicks....

http://bugzilla.southernbell.com?issue=1337
"phone set can be induced to pulse dial even without finger dial present"



hahahaha, as if.
 
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2011-08-15 , 05:29
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Sorry, it's in the comments, the very last one at the bottom.
@Gerbick/anyone. So did you see it?
Looks like there's definitely no official interest from Nokia.
Which I always feared, with Elop's love for "only" WP.
But he says there's a possibility Myriad will offer it on the store.
And that he hopes they do, as it's excellent software etc.

Yeah I heard that for the iP6...
But I heard that it was Q2 they were aiming for, most likely May.
This story's talking about March for the iP5/iPad3, & Oct for this new phone-like iTouch.

If it's true I'd get one....
I like the sound of a beefed-up iTouch that's still way cheaper than an iPhone.
I'd sell my current iTouch 4G and upgrade to it!
If true it might be better news for N9, or it could be worse, who knows.
Am I right or am I wrong, or am i right, or am i right?
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2011-08-15 , 05:31
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
I'm thinking of getting a WP before upgrading to a newer Android ph.
I want to do a detailed comparo between it & the N9 in the TMO forum.
Can anyone recommend a WP with similar hardware specs to the N9?
As close as possible anyway... I don't want to wail till searay is out.
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2011-08-15 , 07:12
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Originally Posted by quipper8 View Post
y'all must have never seen Hackers
Son, I hope you don't base much of your understanding of hackery from that movie.
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2011-08-15 , 07:13
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Originally Posted by jalyst

I'm thinking of getting a WP before upgrading to a newer Android ph.
I want to do a detailed comparo between it & the N9 in the TMO forum.
Can anyone recommend a WP with similar hardware specs to the N9?
As close as possible anyway... I don't want to wail till searay is out.

*bumpety bump*

It has been confirmed Nokia will be bringing out new hardware for WP so would it not be best to wait untill you can get a new comparison, after all anything older would not be wise to do a comparison to the N9.

By the end of the year even the N9 will be outdated hardware wise because of all the new development being thrown at WP.

You could be wasting your time i think.

What i dont get is IF MeeGo is going to be further developed for the N9 it could well fizz out very quickly due to new development on the hardware side and newer devices start rolling out from Nokia with the WP platform.

I honestly think WP development will throw many "spikes" in the way of MeeGo development unless there is a handset that can be used for MeeGo development with newer hardware specs than the N9.

Nokia are big, Microsoft are even bigger and if you look at that situation alone with what has happened to Nokia i think for sure something big will happen on the WP development.

The N9 may well be very short lived !.
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