And thanks for the sarcasm. I'd delete your post since it was just more spam, but I can only imagine what the next one would allege.

NOW can we get on topic?

It's so hard to understand, that (as Texrat explained few posts ago, but - sure, you could miss that in all of the fuss, including Yours one) Council *can't* do anything about banning nonsense posters, cause it's only up to reggie, and his supermoderator, chemist?

I agree that it's unacceptable way of things, so I posted about it (in appropriate thread, not going to repeat here). I hope that, along with transferring project maintaining to community, "ownership" of communication board will be also straightened, ending current nonsense of "one all-mighty eclectic person that may or may not respect Community (also via representatives = Council) wishes and decisions".

Still, leaving lack of rationale behind Your behavior (raging, in fact), do you think that information about Your leaving - if you're planing to - is so interesting to all forum members, that worth to post is "ask the Council" (sic!) thread?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to depreciate You or your contributions to community. I don't want to sound bro'ish, but just chillout, and read last few pages again. And, if You're really interested in straightening things that doesn't work now (like supermoderation), help to make our community fully legal entity as quick as it's possible

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Ups, sorry Texrat - we were writing posts simultaneously. I also hope that we can, finally, get back on topic...

I think it is funny that Texrat's attempt to get this thread back on topic has generated even more noise (13 more posts)!

Everybody are complaining about "noise", but why do we use the thread for asking the council?

A modest suggestion:

Using issue tracking system makes much more sense, since in that way no question would be lost unanswered, and I believe the noise would be filtered out.

The question is: which issue tracking system?

This thread is not for issue tracking, but community/council engagement. We have bugzilla for actual bugs, though.

Question: is everyone on the council and the mods are still fully committed to maemo?

I'm throwing this question out there because there's been some huge changes (mainly from Nokia) midway of this term and I think it's fair if anyone needs to reconsider their stance toward Nokia/maemo.

Of course I can't speak for council - and don't try to - but I'm afraid that answering this question, would require to first clarify what we think about when we say "Maemo".

For me, Maemo is Open Source Community - just like many other great Communities, be it Debian, LibreOffice or even, more narrow, like KDE, GNOME... I don't care about fact, that we're not "Foundation" by any country law - we can become, and I think we'll finally do.

Considering that, for me being devoted to - for example - Cordia on Meego core, is still in spirit of Maemo. Doh, even if - for some reasons - we conclude that supporting Meego CE (CE Ui on Meego core) instead of Cordia is better approach, this is also right with "spirit", I think. Going in evolutionary steps - supporting so much older hardware revisions as we can (In this case, N900, cause if I understand correctly, Meego core on N8xx/N7xx is impossible, both by performance reasons and some other constraints), while looking forward and, if no one want to create device suiting our needs, create it ourselves (at first attempt, using existing, but still 100% compatible one, like CordiaTAB is doing, but later, designing our totally own).

If, by being "devoted" to Maemo, You mean sticking to Maemo 5 only (or with CSSU at most), I doubt You'll find many devoted people, cause it would be like sticking to Amiga OS (which I love, by the way) - nice sentimental/hobby thing, but without much practical use, at least compared to other alternatives. also have in mind, that "Maemo" name is almost certainly lost, due to Nokia unwilling of donating this trademark (just like Oracle did with Open Office - no big deal, it's LibreOffice now)

At this point, there is nothing better "on market" for real power users, than Maemo (with N900). We want to keep it, no matter under what name. I want to say in 2-3 years, that there is nothing better than Cordia/Meego CE/ whatever, and we're using it and contributing to it.

I know that other platform are also evolving, but, if in 2-3 years objective point would be, that - for example - android is currently best, that would mean almost no real evolution at all, IMO. I really don't believe that any other platform for mobile devices will aim @ so much openness as our current Maemo/Cordia/whatever-name-You-like. And, to make things clear, it's all due to Community effort - Nokia have contribution at beginning (for starting this) but it's rather big troll now (think abil_uk mixed with epitaph mixed with partially supermoderator powers mixed with Fidel "I'm busy now, leave me!" from JA2), than real partner in contributing. No offense mean - It's just metaphor. Despite that many Nokia employers (current employers) are very positively towards us, Nokia as a brand is PITA for our efforts for loong time already.

IMO, faster we cut off our connections and become totally independent entity, the better.

So, considering that, do you think i'm devoted to Maemo? and, do you think this question can be answered directly, in current circumstances, by anyone?

Ps.

I protest from using Nokia/Maemo as one thing Nokia != Maemo. currently, Maemo seems to be quite opposite for Nokia (all wp7 mess, all N9 mess, all N950 mess, all #WONTFIX and wont relicense...)

For a quite long time, it seems that most of mactive community members are rather hostile towards current Nokia. Or, at least, neutral -.

I didn't mean to go all conceptual/existential with the question. I meant those who are still interested and engaged with what remains of the 'maemo' community/development teams.

Membership on this community is non exclusive and there are a whole lot of other venues to channel your support for FOSS movement, so why this particular one?

My question was in reference to the limited number of council members who are engaging the community discussions on this forum. (yes, I should also look into mailing lists)

This is another perhaps more moderator-oriented issue, but could something be done about the increasing number of threads/posts inciting people to illegal acts like selling devices that don't belong to them, leaking other people's copyrighted code and so on?

Precisely what I mean, I did not use word "issue" instead of bug for nothing. Still, bugzilla can be used as well. Issue is something that has much general meaning than bug.

We just need to view "Ask the council" as a organisation project.

I am very certain 90% of the questions were unanswered by the council members, although some of them got answered by the people who are not Council members.

The problem is obviously, that Council members don't read this topic, except for SD69.

They need to be notified by an e-mail each time the question/comment is posted, and what is more important the order of comments has to be preserved in a context specific manner, unlike the present situation where there are many questions overlapping and additional "noise".

And let's just not forget "bumping".