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Originally Posted by gerbick
I know about that famous tweet... I just don't find it too important, let alone contracting, especially when their history of statements is taken into account. But that is how the rumors start. After a short tweet, or a sentence taken from the context, which usually mean nothing, comes a series of bombastic titles, analyses, forum threads etc... Furthermore, it often takes several iterations to come up with a quality rumor: every co-author gives his little contribution. So we wind up with our own world of expectations, based on very few facts and lots of imagination. And then, when our expectations aren't met, we rant...
I'm quite sure Mike is using a hyperbole with the very definite time period of "5 years"; however Nokia has stated that Nokia N9 and MeeGo will be supported for years.
It's up to you to believe it. I personally will believe it when I see it.
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2011-08-20
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Originally Posted by pedroesteban
Thanks for your post. It's nice to hear a well rounded perspective on things, with a more global orientation.
This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3...feature=relmfu
For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.
My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.
Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.
By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.
All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).
EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!
Forgive me though if I have to cross my fingers, toes and eyes about the 12-18 month prediction for future releases of a Maemo/Meego device.
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Originally Posted by rentze
This entire forum is a cesspool of rumors, misinterpretations and awkwardly understood phrases via Google Translate that ultimately end up never either happening or we just "roll with the punches".
I know about that famous tweet... I just don't find it too important, let alone contracting, especially when their history of statements is taken into account. But that is how the rumors start. After a short tweet, or a sentence taken from the context, which usually mean nothing, comes a series of bombastic titles, analyses, forum threads etc... Furthermore, it often takes several iterations to come up with a quality rumor: every co-author gives his little contribution. So we wind up with our own world of expectations, based on very few facts and lots of imagination. And then, when our expectations aren't met, we rant...
In this case, I think it's better to just think that it's believable only if it's obtainable or seen. They've barely supported the entirety of Maemo for 5 years fully yet (later this year will be year 6 of Maemo in total).
I highly doubt they will change their ways for the last publicly planned iteration of Maemo to be equal to the duration of the entire Maemo line.
Makes for good marketing though. Too bad I ain't buying into it. I just want a Nokia N9.
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2011-08-20
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Nokia's track record speaks volumes, you would be a fool to just accept what some random Nokia executive spews on a given day. They support their devices on a whim it seems.
please stop FUD about limitited support they had said it will be supported for five years. everything eelse iks just rumors and your own conclusions!
However your optimism is refreshing...sorta
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2011-08-21
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with the SG2 in question, performance-wise it is great. Very fast and beautiful screen. However in terms of games, you can dl some RPG with great grafic however the SG2 is only capable of playing it for about 15mins then it overheats and shuts down(...)
In terms of size, I think it is too big + "too" slim which makes it uncomfortable to hold. Beyond 4,3inch screen will probably just annoy me.
p.s. I don have an SG2 but one of my friends have it and he is very excited (not the overheating part however
) the battery time is also a major issue. He can't manage it to get above 12h even though he has task-killers ect (but then you loose the multitasking)
In terms of size, I think it is too big + "too" slim which makes it uncomfortable to hold. Beyond 4,3inch screen will probably just annoy me.
p.s. I don have an SG2 but one of my friends have it and he is very excited (not the overheating part however
) the battery time is also a major issue. He can't manage it to get above 12h even though he has task-killers ect (but then you loose the multitasking)
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2011-08-21
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Originally Posted by Lindegaard
i havent test battery enough, but with GPS off, it gets throught the day. just remenber to charge every night
with the SG2 in question, performance-wise it is great. Very fast and beautiful screen. However in terms of games, you can dl some RPG with great grafic however the SG2 is only capable of playing it for about 15mins then it overheats and shuts down(...)
In terms of size, I think it is too big + "too" slim which makes it uncomfortable to hold. Beyond 4,3inch screen will probably just annoy me.
p.s. I don have an SG2 but one of my friends have it and he is very excited (not the overheating part however
n9 wouldbe a better device for me but i am liking so far, i finally can whatsapp!
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2011-08-21
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Now we're talking about "spiritual successors?"
This thing hasn't even come out yet and we're already talking about it's a great thing that's guaranteed failure. That's just sad. The N9 actually had a chance.
It's not coming to some major markets, the US or UK or Germany so it won't be any sort of status symbol like the iPhone has managed to be.
Unless someone else picks it up, MeeGo won't become the ubiquitous universal platform that Android managed to be.
It won't be the classic business phone that Blackberry managed to be.
Its too high priced and too high-specced to be a universal cheap phone.
It even had more to sell with than "it's open" which doesn't sell. It had the "swipe," which was it's one claim to fame, looking like it came right out of the iOS human interface guidelines and working just as smoothly.
Is it the open or simply "GNU/Linux" ideals that keep you transfixed? Is it the single piece polycarbonate shell? Is it the fact that it comes in colors other than black and the fabled white? Are you trying to support the dream of an open phone or are you trying to prove Maemo wasn't outdated or are you living in the past? We all know what you get from the other phones, the other platforms. What relevant thing does this actually bring? What advantages does this bring as a "geek phone" that jailbreaking/rooting another phone wouldn't give you?
MeeGo says libre & QT. Harmattan says swipe.
I pity Asus trying to sell MeeGo on netbooks. It might work as a nice shell over Windows 7. Those who know wouldn't buy that, they'd get a more powerful netbook and put MeeGo on it themselves. Those who don't know would wonder why nothing they have works on it.
Tablets succeeded because they didn't pretend to be computers, the iPad doesn't even pretend to have any way for you to put software on it that you don't get from the App Store, while geeks are crying for USB and HDMI.
This thing hasn't even come out yet and we're already talking about it's a great thing that's guaranteed failure. That's just sad. The N9 actually had a chance.
It's not coming to some major markets, the US or UK or Germany so it won't be any sort of status symbol like the iPhone has managed to be.
Unless someone else picks it up, MeeGo won't become the ubiquitous universal platform that Android managed to be.
It won't be the classic business phone that Blackberry managed to be.
Its too high priced and too high-specced to be a universal cheap phone.
It even had more to sell with than "it's open" which doesn't sell. It had the "swipe," which was it's one claim to fame, looking like it came right out of the iOS human interface guidelines and working just as smoothly.
Is it the open or simply "GNU/Linux" ideals that keep you transfixed? Is it the single piece polycarbonate shell? Is it the fact that it comes in colors other than black and the fabled white? Are you trying to support the dream of an open phone or are you trying to prove Maemo wasn't outdated or are you living in the past? We all know what you get from the other phones, the other platforms. What relevant thing does this actually bring? What advantages does this bring as a "geek phone" that jailbreaking/rooting another phone wouldn't give you?
MeeGo says libre & QT. Harmattan says swipe.
I pity Asus trying to sell MeeGo on netbooks. It might work as a nice shell over Windows 7. Those who know wouldn't buy that, they'd get a more powerful netbook and put MeeGo on it themselves. Those who don't know would wonder why nothing they have works on it.
Tablets succeeded because they didn't pretend to be computers, the iPad doesn't even pretend to have any way for you to put software on it that you don't get from the App Store, while geeks are crying for USB and HDMI.
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Originally Posted by BwackNinja
Yep.
Now we're talking about "spiritual successors?"
This thing hasn't even come out yet and we're already talking about it's a great thing that's guaranteed failure. That's just sad. The N9 actually had a chance.
Then with the major markets being ignored, Nokia not giving an update that's worth a damn... did the N9 really have a chance? Or do we just want it to work out because we like what we saw?
It's not coming to some major markets, the US or UK or Germany so it won't be any sort of status symbol like the iPhone has managed to be.
Unless someone else picks it up, MeeGo won't become the ubiquitous universal platform that Android managed to be.
Its too high priced and too high-specced to be a universal cheap phone.
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2011-08-21
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This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3...feature=relmfu
For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.
My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.
Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.
By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.
All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).
EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!
Edit: It would be a reasonable strategy though, they should retain their brand where it is strong. It seems obvious for me that elop has been hired to finally crack the american market. The board seems to think they lost the game because they were not present there, I tend to disagree.
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