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2011-09-16 , 13:37
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Keep in mind that THIS is also what the N9 has to contend with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xo3hFEWScA
But the N9 does at least have bigger GeeBees. It would be nice if they allowed users to increase them via a MicroSD card slot.
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2011-09-16 , 13:38
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Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
Doesn't look very genuine to me. Also, does Windows Phone even support expandable memory through microSD?
I thought they killed that feature along with USB mass storage mode (talking about copy-ing Apple )
That's right, but such things like 12mpx camera, dual-core etc. are what the masses want hear and It's irrelevant if this power is really needet or the pictures are better than with a 8mpx camera or not. Like @marxian said, it's not enaugh to say the device/the features are good like iPhone.

This was the reason i posted this fantomatic Nokia 900 (WP).
 
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2011-09-16 , 13:48
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Originally Posted by ste-phan View Post
Hence the why not release the N950 end of 2010.

From that summit on there was plenty of time for a nice overhaul of Maemo 5.

An enhanced Maemo 5 meets lovely hardware upgrade with godgiven iPhone like touch screen and especially 1GB of RAM to unleech all the multasking sweetness + of course upgrade path to next iteration of the Maemo Harmattan OS later.

They were really on top of it in 2010 with such a beautiful home made OS.

But no... they were so busy forging world domination plans with intel, then later MS.
I think harmattan was destined to be delayed long before the MeeGo announcement. Even on the 2009 summit they announced that applications in harmattan would be a complete rewrite in Qt. Whoever decided that must have known that would probably not be possible in 12 month.

An enhanced N900 with maemo 5 would have had its own problems, requiring alterations in Maemo 5. There are some places where you need a stylus in maemo 5, making capacitive screens difficult, and some applications are rather slow/lacking features (like the application manager and the ovi maps software.)

I would have bought a N950 with maemo 5 in 2010, but I also bought the older Maemo device (770, N800), when they came out. I doubt a lot of people would have bought such a device.

Nokia just wanted to do too much by itself when it came to software development. A mobile linux distribution/mobile OS, an applications framework, an applications development kit, mobile applications, ovi cloud services, user interface design.
They were out of their league, and just couldn't manage the software development well enough in order to finish in time.

I think they did realize the problems, but attempts to solve the problems were taken too late, making it a lot harder or were taken hastily.
Trolltech was bought just three years ago, and the meego announcement didn't seem very well planned/concrete for example.
 

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2011-09-16 , 13:50
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#6034
Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
Nokia just wanted to do too much by itself when it came to software development. A mobile linux distribution/mobile OS, an applications framework, an applications development kit, mobile applications, ovi cloud services, user interface design.
They were out of their league, and just couldn't manage the software development well enough in order to finish in time.

I think they did realize the problems, but attempts to solve the problems were taken too late, making it a lot harder or were taken hastily.
Trolltech was bought just three years ago, and the meego announcement didn't seem very well planned/concrete for example.
Now, if only they had more open-source friendly components, or had open-sourced more of their packaged software and OS that they had put so much time and resources into make sure they were unnecessarily closed.. they wouldn't have do so much of the development themselves. :P Smart guys.
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2011-09-16 , 13:54
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
But the N9 does at least have bigger GeeBees. It would be nice if they allowed users to increase them via a MicroSD card slot.
In my case I have no option, because there are 14 GB of music in my N900, so only the N9 64 GB is interesting. And there are also other reasons to prefair a MicroSD.
 

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2011-09-16 , 13:57
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Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
I think harmattan was destined to be delayed long before the MeeGo announcement. Even on the 2009 summit they announced that applications in harmattan would be a complete rewrite in Qt. Whoever decided that must have known that would probably not be possible in 12 month. <SNIP>

^This. It pains me to constantly hear folk parroting that the Intel tie-up is what slowed everything dramatically.
They weren't even close to boarding that ship yet, & setting-it-up was nowhere near as big a speed-bump as some try to suggest it was.
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2011-09-16 , 14:03
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Actually, Apple's iPhone had already had GPS in it months before the N95 was released at the end of the year, and LG was already doing HSDPA the year before both of those. Again, nothing revolutionary from Nokia on either of those. Free voice navigation had already been there a LONG time before Nokia had it--famously Google Navigation already had it before Nokia did and was part of what forced Nokia's hand to make their free, eventually.
The N95 was released in march 2007 a few months before the original iphone, and the original iPhone did not have GPS. The iPhone 3G added GPS, but that was juli 2008.
So yes, I'm pretty sure it was the first mass-market mobile phone with GPS.
I don't know enough about the LG product line, maybe you are correct, don't know.
Google navigation was indeed a few months earlier, but only in the US. Nokia was world wide.

edit:
Google maps navigation was released in november 2009 for the Motorola droid update. Two months later Nokia made the voice navition part of Ovi maps free for ALL existing Symbian devices with with GPS. Navigation was available even before that time, but you needed to pay for the voice direction.
So yes, also very revolutionary!
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Actually, Apple's iPhone had already had GPS in it months before the N95 was released at the end of the year,

On March 8, 2007 Nokia was shipping N95 in key European, Asian and Middle Eastern markets.[4] It was on sale in many countries on the week of March 11.

On April 7, 2007, the N95 went on sale in the United States through Nokia's Flagship stores in New York and Chicago and through Nokia's nseries.com website.


The first iPhone was unveiled by former Apple CEO Steve Jobs on January 9, 2007,[1] and released on June 29, 2007.

"A software update in January 2008[41] allowed the first-generation iPhone to use cell tower and Wi-Fi network locations trilateration,[42] despite lacking GPS hardware."

"On July 11, 2008, Apple released the iPhone 3G"

"The iPhone 3G added 3G cellular network capabilities and A-GPS location."

and LG was already doing HSDPA the year before both of those.
On dumbphones, where about the only feature that differentiated the phone from a data card was the ability to download videos on the phone bought from the operator's multimedia service, if they had one.

Again, nothing revolutionary from Nokia on either of those. Free voice navigation had already been there a LONG time before Nokia had it--famously Google Navigation already had it before Nokia did and was part of what forced Nokia's hand to make their free, eventually.
In many (I guess probably non-US) countries, Nokia phones had time-limited (typically 1 to 2 years) voice guided navigation for the country they were sold in, before iPhone had GPS or Android phones were launched.
 

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09...lecom_nfc_sim/
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2011-09-16 , 14:16
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Originally Posted by Guffaw View Post
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09...lecom_nfc_sim/
I thought the "proper" way these things are suposed to wk, is that they interface w/NFC already built into the ph.
So if the built-in NFC doesn't have a secure-element/SWP, the sim brings that to the party.
 
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