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zlatokosi is offline zlatokosi
2011-09-25 , 01:55
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Pricing is perfect? Really? Care to explain? Cuz I can think of many better investments at that price than the N9. Swipe or no swipe...

Originally Posted by patlak View Post
Define outdated? Dual core is not everything. Efficient programming and good use of resources is (Qt). N9 has all features even more than all current high end phones. Confusing UX - you're kidding, RIGHT (a monkey could swype)? Expandable memory, 64GB - not enough? Screen is perfect, it makes the phone actually usable with one hand; remember, it's a phone, needs to be pocketable also (galaxy note on the other hand...). You say N9 lacks a keyboard and yet you mention buying an iPhone or new androids. I could go on all day...

Pricing is perfect, perfect innovative OS, with high end features. What good is a dual core when all games run on a single core 600MHz device? Plus, N9 has what N900 lacked to become a perfect device, REAL 1GB of RAM.
 
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2011-09-25 , 02:26
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Originally Posted by cloud596 View Post
are u sure, if yes i feel gratefully
Well, he said so himself here.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=563
 
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2011-09-25 , 13:45
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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
May I ask, why the N9?
We are talking here about Maemo/MeeGo and I think there's no other devices to target. Maybe there's no future but at least we'll have a great device with a lot of stuff. We are not interested about closed platforms like iPhone, Android, WP and their mafia that's why we are on this forum.
 
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2011-09-25 , 14:53
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^Yeah, but I'm only trying to clarify things.

The N9 will not be a great device, it will be good but not great.
It is not perfect pricing, it is too steep by many factors.
The only linux developer devices (besides N900) are the HD2, N950 and N9. And any other Android device which has [beta]MeeGo ported to it.

There's no other way to cut it, Nokia dropped the ball in its roadmap of MeeGo.
 
patlak is offline patlak
2011-09-25 , 15:25
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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
I have L/XL hands (can grip a basketball) and I have average sized pockets. So a 5" device is pocketable for me, heard of the Dell Streak?
You =/= everyone. Average sized pockets won't fit a 5 inch device. Try carrying a PSP around in your pocket. Dell Streak is big, it's not a phone. You look much worse talking on a Streak than an original N-Gage.

I'm just saying everyone is different and rather than limit yourself to 3.9 inches, you can grab something tailored to you, but you go right ahead and enjoy your skinnys
Are you somehow trying to overcompensate with your big phone in your pocket for a lack of adequate "equipment" ? Anyhow, the 3.5 inch screen of the N900 suits me perfect, 3.9 in a similar size device can only be better. To this day my N82 does it's job perfect with it's 2.4 inch screen and actually, it is my main phone. Texting blindly, one handed, FTW.

Many people bought the N900 for the qwerty keypad. There are "next-gen" Android devices like the N900 --have a keypad. With the N9 you don't get this. And if you are contempt with an onscreen keyboard, then you must think about the slab Android devices, and the iPhone too.
Why do I mention the iPhone (its taboo)?
N9 is supposed to appeal to the mass public, unlike N900. Lack of keyboard is not a drawback, actually, it is, but only to a select few. Name all the keypad models currently available.....just a few.

At least an iPhone 3GS was a very good phone for its time, as with the iPhone 4, and so too for the upcoming iPhone. Apple makes sure its devices are one of the best for an entire year, and after one year they are still great devices, its called company support. You WILL NOT GET THIS WITH THE N9!!!
REMEMBER: You buy a phone for what it offers NOW, not after 2 years. No matter how you see it, it's a short term investment in this day and age.

The Confusing part of the UX is the left and right bezel swiping. There's bound to be applications (eg Fruit Ninja) that will require some sort of swiping in the same direction, and yes this will get in the way. This isn't news, WebOS has this trouble too, and soon even the PlayBook.
Swyping in games can be disabled, so it's up to the devs.

Its not about if 64GB is enough, its about simplicity.
I rather have a 32GB device and expandable with 32GB microSD. Then I can put my most used content on the device, and pop in the card when its necessary. Eg/ long trips just put in one with your emulators... or put in a fresh one to record video/photos too. There so small and I can keep them in a compartment in my wallet. It keeps one more device away (your PC), makes it simple, solves issues that many people experience.
Do you have such simplicity with an iPhone? Could you use mass storage mode on an iPhone? iTunes slave...YES. Do people stop buying iPhones for this sole reason...NO. Are sales hindered in any way? Is iPhone mass market? Was N9 planned as a mass market device, prior to Elop?

Same thing goes for removable batteries. I rather have a fully charged backup with me, than a case that acts as an extended battery.
Less and less devices will have removable batteries in the future. Longer battery life is much more important. Again, let's mention the iPhone with it's non-removable battery that has no problems selling in the millions.

The 1GB of RAM is a very good feature. It allows the software some breathing space, too bad that really (really) powerful applications aren't sped up by extra ram, the A8 may bog it down (don't you know all apps will be running in the background?).
And it is FACT the Cortex A8 is outdated. Yes its all anybody needs, right now, but it is not future-proof. They will get outdated along with the ARM11's once Applications mature to provide more features/more performance etc etc.
You call them outdated, and yet phones that have those CPUs still have the best multitasking around (N900, N9, N950, Palm phones, Symbian phones).
A8 may bog down when 50 apps have been opened or heavy intensive games (i7 may bog down in such a case).

Would you be happy if theres a dozen android devices that do something your phone cannot and you really want it, and what if you found out the older (Tegra2, TI44, Exynos) devices support said feature, and your device is only a year old!
How would you feel when you have just bought a dual core top of the line android device, 1month old model, and come tomorrow, quad core device is released?

But who cares as long as theres plenty of software modifications on the way to iron out bugs and make things run as effecient as they can, right? wrong!
NOKIA killed MeeGo, and Intel has slowed MeeGo's development (due to Windows 8?), and no other OEM has released statements to support it. Its a dying OS which hasn't been born yet. Something that frustrates me everytime I visit here.
I agree that Nokia killed it. They didn't even try anything with Maemo 5. I guess the more interest they get in their platform, the more likely it is that they will kill it day 1 and head over to the likes of "trustworthy, innocent virgin" companies - Microsoft.
 
patlak is offline patlak
2011-09-25 , 15:33
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Originally Posted by zlatokosi View Post
Pricing is perfect? Really? Care to explain? Cuz I can think of many better investments at that price than the N9. Swipe or no swipe...
Care to elaborate what more do those other investments offer? A useless dual core - that's about it.
 
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2011-09-25 , 17:45
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care to stay on topic people? plenty of android and competition threads out there.

Thanks for linking about the psx emulator in the works.
there's only a few games i still enjoy playing on my psp but i tend not to carry it around everywhere.
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2011-09-26 , 06:40
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Sorry smeghead, if I find anything in the future I'll report back.

I just didn't appreciate patlak's trolling. Even his last reply to me was subjective, whereas I could provide actual facts for arguments sake.

Again if you want an N9, I'd suggest an iPhone 4S (or 5?), otherwise an iPhone 4. If you want something better* look out for a variety of smartphones running Android, something tailored for you.
 
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2011-09-27 , 13:35
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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
Sorry smeghead, if I find anything in the future I'll report back.

I just didn't appreciate patlak's trolling. Even his last reply to me was subjective, whereas I could provide actual facts for arguments sake.

Again if you want an N9, I'd suggest an iPhone 4S (or 5?), otherwise an iPhone 4. If you want something better* look out for a variety of smartphones running Android, something tailored for you.
You sure know the meaning of trolling. I guess you hate the N9 so much or can't cope with the SWYPE UI. You have no actual facts of why those other phones are much better, except for offering dual core and support. But, N9 does offer you exclusivity in this Android age.

And NO, Android is not tailored for my tastes, that's why I'm leaning towards a N9.

P.S. You are trolling. Stating how N9 is not high-end and yet you suggest an iPhone 4 with a 800MHz A8 and 512MB RAM. Grow up.

EDIT: High-end monster against an old timer

Originally Posted by smegheadz View Post
care to stay on topic people? plenty of android and competition threads out there.
My apologies for off topic, but ignorant and factless people annoy the sh¡t out of me.
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slai is offline slai
2011-09-27 , 19:05
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I currently have the SGS2. Its big but fits better in my pocket than the N8 ever did, not to even mention the N900...

You WILL NOT GET THIS WITH THE N9!!!
Wow I dont care. Personally. I bought the SGS2 late June and Im allready replacing it because... frankly, its tedious to use android for multitasking. I miss the N900 multitasking, and the N9 does it pretty good. I also like the design of the device itself.

The Confusing part of the UX is the left and right bezel swiping. There's bound to be applications (eg Fruit Ninja) that will require some sort of swiping in the same direction, and yes this will get in the way. This isn't news, WebOS has this trouble too, and soon even the PlayBook.
Im sure this will happen, Ive thought the same thing. I guess its something I have to see for myself in order to evaluate. Might be the curved screen lends itself to easily avoid these situations. Only experience with the device will tell me this.

Its not about if 64GB is enough, its about simplicity.
I rather have a 32GB device and expandable with 32GB microSD. Then I can put my most used content on the device, and pop in the card when its necessary. Eg/ long trips just put in one with your emulators... or put in a fresh one to record video/photos too. There so small and I can keep them in a compartment in my wallet. It keeps one more device away (your PC), makes it simple, solves issues that many people experience.
Hm personally I never had issues with the N8 for instance, and its limited diskspace. With my use of cloud services etc its rare for me to need very much space on the device itself. So for me, personally, this isnt a real issue.

Same thing goes for removable batteries. I rather have a fully charged backup with me, than a case that acts as an extended battery.
I recently went on a 3 week roadtrip in Europe with no wallchargers available. I used the usb-cable to charge from hotellroom TVs, etc, and all my devices were always running: N900 (music phone), N8 (camera and navigation) and SGS2 (main phone).

No big deal, really.

The 1GB of RAM is a very good feature. It allows the software some breathing space, too bad that really (really) powerful applications aren't sped up by extra ram, the A8 may bog it down (don't you know all apps will be running in the background?).
Well you can always close them if you want. Set the phone to "close on downward swipe", and its shut down instead of passed back to multitasking.

And it is FACT the Cortex A8 is outdated. Yes its all anybody needs, right now, but it is not future-proof. They will get outdated along with the ARM11's once Applications mature to provide more features/more performance etc etc.
True, but then again how long do you own a device? If you're like me, you change device at least once a year, maybe twice or more.

Would you be happy if theres a dozen android devices that do something your phone cannot and you really want it, and what if you found out the older (Tegra2, TI44, Exynos) devices support said feature, and your device is only a year old!
Flash? =P

But who cares as long as theres plenty of software modifications on the way to iron out bugs and make things run as effecient as they can, right? wrong!
Eh, I have a little faith in the developers that still wobble around in meegoland. I dont need nokia, Im confident that the device as shipped will do what I want for the 6-12 months Ill own it.

NOKIA killed MeeGo, and Intel has slowed MeeGo's development (due to Windows 8?), and no other OEM has released statements to support it. Its a dying OS which hasn't been born yet. Something that frustrates me everytime I visit here.
Yeah its a damn shame. Shows promise.
 
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