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#61
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I cable detection is not working for you, how can we check if disable button should be shown? (As I understand you enable/disable button is redundant with disconnected cable)
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2011-11-17
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Originally Posted by pali
Cable detection is working: connecting cable to video input -> tvout automatically turns on -> I see image in TV
I cable detection is not working for you, how can we check if disable button should be shown?
/sys/.../nokia-av/detect is not working or unreliable -> always 3
Because cable detection is working but nokia-av/detect==3 -> there is another way to detect cable
Sollution is in tvout desktop applet: connecting cable to video input -> applet "on/off" button automatically changes to on. Why?
(Hope you understand now)
(As I understand you enable/disable button is redundant with disconnected cable)
Last edited by maacruz; 2011-11-17 at 11:30.
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2011-11-17
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Originally Posted by maacruz
Xorg driver change Xv tvout enable attribute automatically (when tvout cable is plugin/unplugged). "Old" tvout desktop widget listening for Xv attributes changes so it update button text ON/OFF.
Sollution is in tvout desktop applet: connecting cable to video input -> on/off button automatically changes to on (Why?)
Auto enable/disable tvout output is done by Xorg driver (not software, daemon or tvout widget).
Status menu plugin using same code for Xv attributes, so it should update gconf key when Xorg driver disable tvout output. Desktop widget now monitor only gconf keys, so if you did not see that button ON/OFF changed, there is problem in status menu widget...
I think that in status menu widget is some race condition (and that is maybe reason why is not working):
Xv enable attrbite was changed --> run callback function which should update gconf key
and when gconf key is changed --> run callback function which should update Xv attributes (and Xorg driver will enable/disable output)
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2011-11-17
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Originally Posted by maacruz
Can't agree, and please, don't even think about it.
On the other hand, thinking again about the on/off setting from a usability point of view, I think it should be removed from the control pannel applet, because it is redundant and very probably will cause problems because the semantics it implies.
N900 turns tv-out automatically, when a resistance of ~75 Ohm is detected, between appropriate pins of jack socket. Particularly, it's result of it detecting such resistance on plug, due to it being connected to composite video in of TV - resistance there *should* be 75 Ohm.
Ho ever, many TV's - especially new ones - doesn't follow rule of 75 Ohm (it was technical reason, not a rule of thumb - some part got such resistance in older TV's), and, in "worse" cases (at least for our device), it doesn't enable composite in (and such 75 Ohm resistance), unless it detect signal.
At the same time, N900 doesn't enable signal, until it gets 75 Ohm. So, both devices are waiting forever for each other. In times before TV-Out control widget, one need to prepare special cable, with 75 Ohm resistor bundled inside, and switch, to "cheat" N900 into detecting 75 Ohm, and quickly turn switch, so TV detect signal - and hope, that it will be detected by N900, again, before it disables signal "thinking", that TV cable isn't connected.
So, with all due respect, ideas of disabling manual control over TV-Out, should be fought with fire. I don't care about noobs messing up in their control panel - if someone doesn't understand basic things, he/she got enough things inside controls, to f*** everything this way or another. If someone doesn't feel confident with changing settings, let them stay away from control panel.
At the same time, I doesn't have anything against removing on/off from desktop widget - little inconvenient, but, if it's available from CP, it's ok.
/Estel
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2011-11-17
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Originally Posted by Estel
Ok, if you are going to be that angry, I'll admit "octopus" as pet
Can't agree, and please, don't even think about it.
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Ho ever, many TV's - especially new ones - doesn't follow rule of 75 Ohm (it was technical reason, not a rule of thumb - some part got such resistance in older TV's), and, in "worse" cases (at least for our device), it doesn't enable composite in (and such 75 Ohm resistance), unless it detect signal.
At the same time, N900 doesn't enable signal, until it gets 75 Ohm. So, both devices are waiting forever for each other. In times before TV-Out control widget, one need to prepare special cable, with 75 Ohm resistor bundled inside, and switch, to "cheat" N900 into detecting 75 Ohm, and quickly turn switch, so TV detect signal - and hope, that it will be detected by N900, again, before it disables signal "thinking", that TV cable isn't connected.
/Estel
Let's the control panel have the option to force enable the tv out. But it should be made clear that is an override, so instead of "[] Enable" it should read "[] Force enable" or "[] Manually turn on" or something like that, so at least intelligent noobs understand that they are screwing something.
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2011-11-17
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Originally Posted by pali
Ok, understood.
Xorg driver change Xv tvout enable attribute automatically (when tvout cable is plugin/unplugged). "Old" tvout desktop widget listening for Xv attributes changes so it update button text ON/OFF.
Auto enable/disable tvout output is done by Xorg driver (not software, daemon or tvout widget).
Status menu plugin using same code for Xv attributes, so it should update gconf key when Xorg driver disable tvout output. Desktop widget now monitor only gconf keys, so if you did not see that button ON/OFF changed, there is problem in status menu widget...
I think that in status menu widget is some race condition (and that is maybe reason why is not working):
Xv enable attrbite was changed --> run callback function which should update gconf key
and when gconf key is changed --> run callback function which should update Xv attributes (and Xorg driver will enable/disable output)
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2011-11-25
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Originally Posted by alex-12gods
have the same problem!! Reboot and removing of the app didn't work
after installing .dep files(with clean app) i lost all apples on status menu and also tvout control widget wont start.... what did i do wrong???(sorry for my english)
What should I do?!What have i to do to see my apps in status bar again?!
pls help me
EDIT:
Ok it works.
I restarted my phone about 5 times... 
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2011-11-30
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There seems to be a bug with scaling. Scale > 93%, picture disappear totally. Tested via control panel setup.
Tested with 2 TV sets.
Last edited by Gusse; 2011-11-30 at 13:14.
Tested with 2 TV sets.
Last edited by Gusse; 2011-11-30 at 13:14.
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2011-11-30
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Originally Posted by Gusse
This is problem in Xorg driver, not in plugins...
There seems to be a bug with scaling. Scale > 93%, picture disappear totally. Tested via control panel setup.
Tested with 2 TV sets.
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2011-11-30
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Originally Posted by willi6868
If you have any uninstall problems, you could try to shutdown device, wait some minutes and power on again.
have the same problem!! Reboot and removing of the app didn't work
What have i to do to see my apps in status bar again?!
pls help me
EDIT:
Ok it works.