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2011-11-30
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#641
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Originally Posted by SD69
Ok, thanks. I'm trying to contact X-Fade by email and on IRC for 2 weeks, but without success.
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2011-12-03
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#642
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Council:
Mase has done much work on a package for printing, but is having a problem with the repos. He has received no reply to bug reports.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...93#post1132293
Can the council facilitate resolution of this issue?
Mase has done much work on a package for printing, but is having a problem with the repos. He has received no reply to bug reports.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...93#post1132293
Can the council facilitate resolution of this issue?
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2011-12-20
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#644
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Originally Posted by SD69
Last month and again nothing....
Hi Pali,
Thanks for following up. I thought from X-Fade's comments on October 3 that it was fixed and so I haven't looked at it since then. It was good that you posted another comment on 11-19. X-Fade is in high demand these days and I'll nudge him about it if it's not fixed by the next time we talk.
What is Maemo Council doing more then 6 months????
Why cannot fix problem with maemo repository??? Is promoting packages really hard, which takes more then 6 months???
What is X-Fade doing? Why he still cannot find time for fixing that? Why he cannot find time for Maemo developers in last 6 months?
I'm trying to ping X-Fade on IRC every day, but he not answering me. I sent emails, without answer too. Why he is ignoring me??
Maemo users really want to see kernel-power promoted into Extras-testing (and then into Extras).
Last version of all packages in Extras-Devel is: 2.6.28-10power49
Packages:
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-source/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-headers/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/linux...power-headers/
Now I'm really angry, becuase everybody is ignoring me and users asking "why is not package in extras?". It is really hard to fix problem on server for community projects?
It is because somebody doing someting usefull for maemo users??
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2011-12-20
, 13:43
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#645
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Originally Posted by pali
Yes, there are problems with getting things done. Two months ago it was the coding competition voting which X-Fade didn't want to do, but it eventually got done (after more effort than it should have taken). I don't know if you were being rhetorical or not, but yes Nokia (and by extension, Nemein) is not so much interested in helping maemo users anymore. Please don't get angry, at least with me, who is trying to help.
Last month and again nothing....
What is Maemo Council doing more then 6 months????
Why cannot fix problem with maemo repository??? Is promoting packages really hard, which takes more then 6 months???
What is X-Fade doing? Why he still cannot find time for fixing that? Why he cannot find time for Maemo developers in last 6 months?
I'm trying to ping X-Fade on IRC every day, but he not answering me. I sent emails, without answer too. Why he is ignoring me??
Maemo users really want to see kernel-power promoted into Extras-testing (and then into Extras).
Last version of all packages in Extras-Devel is: 2.6.28-10power49
Packages:
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-source/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-headers/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/linux...power-headers/
Now I'm really angry, becuase everybody is ignoring me and users asking "why is not package in extras?". It is really hard to fix problem on server for community projects?
It is because somebody doing someting usefull for maemo users??
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2011-12-20
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#646
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Originally Posted by pali
I second that. And what makes me angry is that there are not much developers left (especially kernel/core) and those who are still doing it have ZERO support from so-called council. Is there some special policy/instruction from Nokia or whoever to ignore us? What has happened with regular council meetings we were promised?
Last month and again nothing....
What is Maemo Council doing more then 6 months????
Why cannot fix problem with maemo repository??? Is promoting packages really hard, which takes more then 6 months???
What is X-Fade doing? Why he still cannot find time for fixing that? Why he cannot find time for Maemo developers in last 6 months?
I'm trying to ping X-Fade on IRC every day, but he not answering me. I sent emails, without answer too. Why he is ignoring me??
Maemo users really want to see kernel-power promoted into Extras-testing (and then into Extras).
Last version of all packages in Extras-Devel is: 2.6.28-10power49
Packages:
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-source/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-headers/
http://maemo.org/packages/view/linux...power-headers/
Now I'm really angry, becuase everybody is ignoring me and users asking "why is not package in extras?". It is really hard to fix problem on server for community projects?
It is because somebody doing someting usefull for maemo users??
So, Pali has put a lot of effort backporting drivers fixing bugs and writing new stuff and he cannot reach the people he is doing that for. Why? Six months?!?
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2011-12-20
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#647
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Originally Posted by freemangordon
Please check the full history and you'll see my support. Yes, for the umpteenth time, Nokia has moved on..., to the N9, to WP7, that's where their attention is, not us.
I second that. And what makes me angry is that there are not much developers left (especially kernel/core) and those who are still doing it have ZERO support from so-called council. Is there some special policy/instruction from Nokia or whoever to ignore us? What has happened with regular council meetings we were promised?
So, Pali has put a lot of effort backporting drivers fixing bugs and writing new stuff and he cannot reach the people he is doing that for. Why? Six months?!?
Unfortunately, the other council members, Momcilo and Jeremiah, have been awol for two months. They haven't responded to my emails, nor have I seen them anywhere in the maemo community. Thus, no council meetings or other action (other than what I have done). Hoping they come back soon.
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2011-12-20
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#648
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Originally Posted by SD69
I hope you understand it is not a personal attack to you, I know you are doing your best. It is just that "the council" does not function, if exists at all.
Please check the full history and you'll see my support. Yes, for the umpteenth time, Nokia has moved on..., to the N9, to WP7, that's where their attention is, not us.
Unfortunately, the other council members, Momcilo and Jeremiah, have been awol for two months. They haven't responded to my emails, nor have I seen them anywhere in the maemo community. Thus, no council meetings or other action (other than what I have done). Hoping they come back soon.
Is there a procedure to follow in current situation (missing council members) as it is pointless to wait another couple of months till new elections.
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2011-12-20
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#649
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Originally Posted by SD69
Deja vu.
Unfortunately, the other council members, Momcilo and Jeremiah, have been awol for two months. They haven't responded to my emails, nor have I seen them anywhere in the maemo community. Thus, no council meetings or other action (other than what I have done). Hoping they come back soon.
Normally, "ten chars" after that would be sufficient, but I would like to be understood correctly. I'm probably among group of people, who would be *last* to blame SD69 (with his blazing fast answers, even if he is unable to give specific information, due to "ambient" circumstances). I'm just totally disappointed by Jeremiah and Momcilo stance, especially given the fact, what was promised upon "election".
I understand, that irony may strike hard, and 2 council people may get stroked by personal problems or whatsnot (hypothetically). But, it's totally unacceptable, to disappear without *any* note (if one hold such "position"). I think requesting to leave small bit of information isn't asking too much.
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SD69, seconding freemangordon's question - are there any procedures specified, when council member(s) disappear, without any sign of life? If there aren't any, maybe we should create some *now*? In my opinion, under current "technological" status, 2 weeks of total absence without any prior warning or even small info like "I get hit by asteroid yesterday, so I'm using cafe/stole/whatever net and I'm going to have my connection repaired in 2 weeks" is enough to "delete" a Council member. Especially, that cadence is only 6 months total. What others thing about that?
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So, let me summary current situation, AIUI. SD69 is one and only Council member left, other pointed their interest into other projects, without any pre- or -post warning. X-Fade have us in a*s, because he is paid by Nokia, and Nokia have us in a*s (as whole, 8mm not talking about certain individuals).
SD69, have I missed or misunderstood something? If no, what about possible ideas to get out of this nasty situation? Despite circumstances, I think (and feel) that Maemo development got quite nice momentum now, and it would be pity to waste that.
My idea - resolving missing council members problem by ending their cadence (giving them a week and another message spam, to give a chance to respond), and "quick" election afterward. Immediately starting process of "gaining independence" from Nokia funds - by creating foundation (probably not under Maemo name, due to trademarks), fundraising, and paying on our own things, that definitely need to be paid-positions. Getting other functions "occupied" by volunteers (this one is de facto realisation of plan took by current council, yet never really started beyond point of brainstorm "what positions we need to have").
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finally getting rid of "teams", that have us in a*s, cause they're not paid by us, and replacing them with people/teams paid by us directly (if necessary), and voluntary counterparts, where applicable.
NEXT: After establishing stable structures, depending or success (or lack of) of fundraising, choose major "milestone" projects, that need to be supported, and doing so by all possible means (not only banner). Where absolutely necessary, consider financial grants/contracts (not necessary huge ones, depend on money raised).
/Estel
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2011-12-20
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#650
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Originally Posted by SD69
I'm not angry at you. (Sorry if my post sound that). You are only who responded to my post.
Please don't get angry, at least with me, who is trying to help.
I'd like to ask:
* What council members can do?
* Who has permissions for modifing (managing) maemo.org website?
* Who can configure repository.maemo.org?
* Who can "importing packages" into maemo.org/packages interface?
* Who are admins of maemo.org infrastructure?
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