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2012-01-28
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They will never release the source of every program. That simple. Forget about it. But as said, LD_LIBRARY_PATH might be a way. For example, from time to time I mount a debian system on /mnt/, and use this:
./debianwrap /mnt/usr/bin/xchat
Oh no!
Maemo's software stack will keep aging and there is not much we can do about that (besides learning to live with it).
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#!/bin/sh unset GTK2_RC_FILES LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/lib:/mnt/usr/lib/:/mnt/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/:/mnt/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi /mnt/lib/ld-linux.so.3 $@
plus we'd be able to do crazy **** like use btrfs as root, run on armv7tnhl kernels, use wayland and systemd, etc.)
Maemo's software stack will keep aging and there is not much we can do about that (besides learning to live with it).
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2012-01-28
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#13
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Originally Posted by NIN101
We are not waiting they release every source. We are writing open alternatives for rest of them. Are there something that can't be reimplemented (and is essential)?
They will never release the source of every program. That simple. Forget about it.
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2012-01-28
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Originally Posted by AapoRantalainen
NOLO, and dem PowerVR SGX drivers.
We are not waiting they release every source. We are writing open alternatives for rest of them. Are there something that can't be reimplemented (and is essential)?
For everything else, we can probably live with the stuff Nemo puts out, and backport it to Fremantle (or port Fremantle to meet Nemo's ABI)
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N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
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2012-01-29
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#15
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Originally Posted by Hurrian
There's nothing inherently wrong with that, plus it has the advantage that makes it easy to fiddle with.
You have shell scripts using dbus holding the whole thing together!
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2012-01-30
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I think biggest issues as far as closed source software:
Bootloader (NoLo)
Hardware blobs (PowerVR drivers, wl2151-cal etc)
Communications and internet stack (csd, icd, dialer, telepathy-ring, messenger, contacts, browser UI etc)
GPS stack (location-daemon, location-proxy, gps/maps app)
Bootloader (NoLo)
Hardware blobs (PowerVR drivers, wl2151-cal etc)
Communications and internet stack (csd, icd, dialer, telepathy-ring, messenger, contacts, browser UI etc)
GPS stack (location-daemon, location-proxy, gps/maps app)
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2012-03-03
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udisks requires libglib 2.31.13, available on Precise (.18) in armel flavour. Going to backup and try forcing it later on today. If that is just 'not going to work' let me know guys, reverting backups is not always successfull and would hate to have to resort to flashing/reinstalling everything
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2012-03-03
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Originally Posted by szopin
Wait, hold on there.
udisks requires libglib 2.31.13, available on Precise (.18) in armel flavour. Going to backup and try forcing it later on today. If that is just 'not going to work' let me know guys, reverting backups is not always successfull and would hate to have to resort to flashing/reinstalling everything
You'll need udisks, a very new udev and take out HAL.
That last one will probably break Maemo.
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N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
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2012-03-03
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Want to try forcing libglib 2.31.18 for now and see if this bricks the phone. Would also allow me to pass one step further in configuration of udisks, there are most likely further blocks on the way to building it, so this can wait. If latest libglib doesn't brick the phone it would be a good info though, so fingers crossed
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2012-03-03
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Originally Posted by szopin
Post results! I'm betting on a brick afterwards, though, if symlinks in /lib were changed.
Want to try forcing libglib 2.31.18 for now and see if this bricks the phone. Would also allow me to pass one step further in configuration of udisks, there are most likely further blocks on the way to building it, so this can wait. If latest libglib doesn't brick the phone it would be a good info though, so fingers crossed
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N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
N9 PR 1.3 Open Mode + kernel-plus for Harmattan
@kenweknot, working on Glacier for Nemo.
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While I don't like it as much for aesthetic purposes, I am inclined to agree that a seperate file for a new GLib with fancy voodoo to get different programs using different versions, might be better for the time being.
I don't like it, but if it becomes possible to make the move to truly open Maemo 5, I'm sure a more cleaner setup will naturally follow, but in the meantime working with what we do have is probably better than me insisting that a new GLib break all the old stuff for everyone on the off chance that it motivates updates/OSS-recodes faster.
Last edited by Mentalist Traceur; 2012-01-28 at 21:10. Reason: on-topic stuff added