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2012-02-26
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#212
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Originally Posted by Tempo58
Tomi Ahonen once was a respected man. Then, for a period, he was fun to read because of his jokes and often spot on points. Today he is the biggest joke in the industry, and people are feeling sorry for him. Period, end of story.
I think all of you should have a read of this article. I'm sure some of you have already.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...-to-n9-me.html
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2012-02-26
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#213
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Originally Posted by specc
It's not a question of abiding....
LOLSo I am to abide to your fantasies of what you mean I "really" said
But you are right about one thing. It is there for people to read.
You have claimed they are better than the N9.
Yet you make no attempt to explain why.
It doesn't even have to be a host of reasons that everyone agrees with.
Everyone's needs/usage are different.
Last edited by jalyst; 2012-02-26 at 23:02.
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2012-02-26
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#214
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Originally Posted by specc
Not really interested in his personal issues. Thought the figures in the argument said it all. End of story.
Tomi Ahonen once was a respected man. Then, for a period, he was fun to read because of his jokes and often spot on points. Today he is the biggest joke in the industry, and people are feeling sorry for him. Period, end of story.
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2012-02-26
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#215
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Originally Posted by jalyst
You really are funny. I guess your life is easier if you make up fantasies rather than stick to reality, but I prefer to stick to reality myself.
It's not a question of abiding....
You have claimed they are better than the N9.
Yet you make no attempt to explain why.
It doesn't even have to be a host of reasons that everyone agrees with.
Everyone's needs/usage are different.
What I have "claimed" is two things:
- Both the N8 and Lumia are more popular than the N9
- Swipe is sexy, but unpractical compared with both Belle and WP
My first "claim" is based on online shops backed up with statistics from Google. The second one is my personal opinion, but one that I know is shared by many others.
My "claims" are all by themselves enough reason to why the N9 cannot be a flagship. Elop also doomed Symbian, but the N8 refuses to die. Why does it refuse to die? It refuses to die because people like it.
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2012-02-26
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#216
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Originally Posted by specc
That's putting it very simplistically but yes, that's basically correct.
Well, I don't think so. Nokia had done way too many mistakes in the previous years. They couldn't decide if Symbian or Maemo was the future OS,
Up until about Jan 2010 anyway....
Whereupon Maemo finally graduated to something that had almost the same level of focus as Symbian.
Which was far too late to deliver in the time-frame they'd originally hoped for.
Especially since it still wasn't truly the sole focus, & esp. given all the Qt retooling they were trying to do.
Nokia was out of control and sinking long before Elop entered. Elop simply does what has to be done. It only remains to see if it is possible to save Nokia.
The reality is we'll never know whether or not the Maemo6x -> MeeGo strategy could've been successful.
It was behind schedule there's no doubt....
Not quite as bad as it turned out to be if what konttori alludes to here is to be believed.
But still very bad.....
But the hardest work was done with PR1.0....
If the Harmattan team hadn't been shrinking since Feb, when if anything it needed to be growing.
Then the time to deliver for a 3rd Maemo6x device would've been quicker.*
There was always a third in the wings, mainly as a stop-gap in-case Medfield & MeeGo needed more time.
It's apparent they would've needed to H1 2012, so the 3rd Maemo6x device would've been full steam ahead.
I say 3rd because the N950 wouldn't have been dropped either...
The necessary fixes would've been done, & it would've been released about the same time as the N9.
Suddenly by about now we have 3 devices, with the 1st Medfield most likely on shelves by June/July.
Starts to look more viable, how many WP's will Nokia have by July.
Three devices by now was certainly within the realm of possibility...
But whether or not the N950/N9/?? would've started to gain a following by now is impossible to know.
*heck the 1st & 2nd would've been slightly quicker.
Last edited by jalyst; 2012-02-27 at 00:37.
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2012-02-27
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#217
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Originally Posted by Tempo58
I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but his figures are pure fiction. There's not a shred of fact in there. It is already established the the N9 sold 600k last year, while the Lumia sold 1.2 M. Add to this that the Lumia were only sold in a very limited marked for about 1.5 months, and the N9 was sold in a much larger marked (China included) for twice the time.
Not really interested in his personal issues. Thought the figures in the argument said it all. End of story.
1.2M in just over one month is in fact very good for a brand new device. 600k is also good. The main difference is the N9 stopped selling after a very short time, while the Lumia is increasing. With the price drop in some regions, the N9 is hanging in there, at least seemingly, but that wont last for very long, the N9 is a niche device.
The disturbing thing is that WP sales from other manufacturers has fallen completely dead, so WP altogether is going down. Maybe there is enough momentum by now, maybe there isn't. In the summer I guess we will know. If Nokia is going down, there will be no more updates for the N9, that's for sure.
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2012-02-27
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#218
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Originally Posted by specc
Those numbers are wrong. Nokia delivered 900k lumia phones last year. difficult to sell 1.2M then
It is already established the the N9 sold 600k last year, while the Lumia sold 1.2 M. Add to this that the Lumia were only sold in a very limited marked for about 1.5 months, and the N9 was sold in a much larger marked (China included) for twice the time.
Countries that got lumias was on those where Nokia is very strong
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2012-02-27
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Originally Posted by specc
And the N9 wasn't sold in DE/FRA/NED/ITA/SPA/CAN/US/UK/IND/HK/TW/Jap/Kor no doubt I'm forgetting some.
Add to this that the Lumia were only sold in a very limited marked for about 1.5 months, and the N9 was sold in a much larger marked (China included) for twice the time.
Yes China recently became the largest smartphone market in the world.
But the combined market-share of the aforementioned countries is vastly bigger.
When one factors in the 20-odd other countries the N9 went to the market-shares might be similar, hard to say.
There's no doubt most of those 20-odd other countries are 2nd/3rd-tier economies though.
Meanwhile the Lumia's since December have rolled-out or are in the midst of rolling-out to at least several N9 launch countries.
And at the same time the N9 hasn't been allowed into the aforementioned markets.
And the Lumia's are scheduled to enter China in April (already on the black market there).
Plus you claim the N9 had been selling in all it's launch countries for mths before the 800 stared rolling out.
That's wrong, depending on launch country, there is a huge difference between when it was actually on shelves.
For e.g. in China it wasn't actually on shelves until well into December (was on black market before then).
Hell as another example, it's only finally rolling-out to Lebanon in March.
No doubt there's other relatively insignificant countries that it's only just arriving in, or hasn't yet.
That's the weird thing about the N9's roll out, there's nothing like the shiny Lumia Map which charts the Lumia's worldwide roll-out.
With the N9 it's been "cloak and dagger" in that regard for the whole time.
The main difference is the N9 stopped selling after a very short time, while the Lumia is increasing.
With the price drop in some regions, the N9 is hanging in there, at least seemingly, but that wont last for very long, the N9 is a niche device.
It would make sense for that to be happening, given how the N9's been positioned.
But that's okay, the N9 can be a niche device, doesn't necessarily make it a bad device LT.
N900 kicked along pretty well, & it it was notably more niche (step 5 of 6) than the N9.
Originally Posted by gosh
Supposedly N9 was targeted for markets where Symbian still has some kind of strength, or at least isn't drastically declining.
Countries that got lumias was on those where Nokia is very strong
But there were many exceptions to that, India as one example.
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2012-02-27
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#220
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i suggesting for specc, is there on internet no lumia forum or maybe WP forum?, this is TMO not lumia forum, i join this community because wanna learn linux not windows thing, swipe is unique, swipe is the only one, same like N900 way, this thread just wanna tell us why nokia discontinued support it? if they support it say bye to android, apple and ur wp, 
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But you are right about one thing. It is there for people to read.
But tell me, when you don't own a N9, why do you even care?