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2012-02-28 , 08:35
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#31
Originally Posted by pali View Post
@SD69:

Another usefull ability for supertesters: add other developer to maintainer list of some package.

So if old maintainer abandoned package and new maintainer was found, supertester should be able to add new maintainer to the list and new maintainer should then promote packages (e.g supertester will not care about that package for promoting...)
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hey, I get it and that's what I'd like to see too. You've said it before. I share your desire to prevent things like letting absent package maintainers needlessly prevent development. But you have to work with me.

When I suggested a TSG to facilitate CSSU, some people say I'm attempting a hostile takeover.
I thought that accusation was unfair and over the top. I appreciate that at least freemangordan and joergrw supported my general intentions if not the actual proposal. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82372

Now what you're proposing really is a takeover, an appropriate one I think if a package is abandoned, but goes farther than what I've already proposed. Do the majority of developers support it? Will they say they support it? What do you say to those who will claim it is beyond council's authority?

Trying to fix things one itch at a time isn't going to work in my opinion. I proposed a referendum before to permit council to be more proactive and to have the community's blessing to change the governance and structure of maemo.org so that it functions more smoothly. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...66&postcount=4 For that, I got personally attacked - "just because you have a strong opinion about how to save Maemo does not make you Maemo's savior..."

So please don't ask me to fix things all by myself. Please propose the referendum (or one like it) yourself, get a few other developers to openly support it, you'll have my support to get it voted on and we should then be able to carry through with several fixes despite any naysayers.
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2012-02-28 , 09:04
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#32
Humour me while I play DA for a moment:

given the current situation (not enough active testers even with the "supertester" kludge, Fremantle never going to be a mass market OS and existing user base is shrinking), is the whole testing thing still needed/wanted? Has it ever caught a "bad" package before (I recall one case of an author abusing the test process, though the package itself was benign) or is it merely tiger repellant?

Maybe Fremantle extras package maintainers should also be allowed to handle promotion themselves?
 

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2012-02-28 , 14:41
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
Humour me while I play DA for a moment:

given the current situation (not enough active testers even with the "supertester" kludge, Fremantle never going to be a mass market OS and existing user base is shrinking), is the whole testing thing still needed/wanted? Has it ever caught a "bad" package before (I recall one case of an author abusing the test process, though the package itself was benign) or is it merely tiger repellant?

Maybe Fremantle extras package maintainers should also be allowed to handle promotion themselves?
Good point. We are lowering the promotion requirements significantly though. What is your assessment of the situation with Diablo?
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2012-02-28 , 14:48
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#34
Another point, a supertester should be able to promote not only from testing but also from devel to Extras.
 

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2012-02-28 , 16:35
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
What is your assessment of the situation with Diablo?
Disclaimer: I've used maybe 5-10% of what's available, and looked at the source of even less than that.

I don't think we've ever had any malware, even in the wild west days before extras. I guess it's that kind of community, and/or the platform was never an attractive target for script kiddies.
 

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2012-02-28 , 16:48
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#36
Originally Posted by lma View Post
Disclaimer: I've used maybe 5-10% of what's available, and looked at the source of even less than that.

I don't think we've ever had any malware, even in the wild west days before extras. I guess it's that kind of community, and/or the platform was never an attractive target for script kiddies.
Well, I am not sure I support the idea the crappatches maintainer to be able to directly promote to extras
 

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2012-02-29 , 10:26
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#37
Originally Posted by freemangordon View Post
Well, I am not sure I support the idea the [...] maintainer to be able to directly promote to extras
Some software is very specialisd and even if stable, in itself, it may have the capability of causing problems with other application-software and/or the OS and/or hardware.

There are probably several packages that are highly stable but really not suitable for use by the uninitiated. It could be argued that such packages should remain in the testing repository so as to ward off unsuspecting users, while the package is also given a rating on the basis of its stability/bugginess? Packages on maemo.org/downloads have a stability star rating, so why not introduce for -devel and -testing?

On the other hand, self promotion makes getting packages to release repositories a lot quicker. Therefore more people are able to make use of/comment on/etc. these packages... mmm. Not sure though. If self promotion became a reality, there would need to need to be a way of demoting packages, should they pose Any problem (I think some need to go down already!).
 

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2012-03-02 , 13:33
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#38
Please, could some Maemo administrator approve me as IPython maintainer ? See the post :
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=740
I am waiting more than one week after contacting you.

Thanks in advance,

Roberto Colistete Jr.
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2012-03-03 , 11:50
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#39
Originally Posted by demolition View Post
Some software is very specialisd and even if stable, in itself, it may have the capability of causing problems with other application-software and/or the OS and/or hardware.

There are probably several packages that are highly stable but really not suitable for use by the uninitiated. It could be argued that such packages should remain in the testing repository so as to ward off unsuspecting users, while the package is also given a rating on the basis of its stability/bugginess?.
What about a separate repo for the "initiated users" stable packages?
I certainly think specialised software like this should be kept out of Extras.
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2012-03-04 , 16:08
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#40
I suggest that the discussion be continued on the mailing list with the supertesters and others who will implement the testing/promotion process. Please sign up for the mailing list if you haven't already.

If you want to volunteer, then you can also still do so in the mailing list as well.

https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/lis...tingsquad-list
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