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December 19th, 2007
ELAN Home Systems, a developer of multi-room A/V and come control systems, revealed today the early shipping of its new N800 touch controller. This remote on steroids is priced around $1,200.

The ELAN N800 offers wireless Internet access and lets one control ELAN and third party supported systems. A graphical interface allows you to control entertainment, theater and whole-house systems. It’s based in part on Nokia hardware and sports a four-inch touchscreen display.

Features of the N800 include real-time status display for lighting, temperature and security systems as well as “now playing” information from music sources, zoom, full-screen & panning functions, a full-screen finger keyboard, built-in stereo speakers and more. It is available now.
According to their websitewebsite :
Proprietary software in the ELAN N800 is not compatible with other Nokia N800 or web tablet models purchased elsewhere.
OTOH, the N800 uses Linux. Unless somehow Nokia set them up using Symbian, their code is built upon GPL code. Therefore someone (the FSF), needs to force the GPL down their throat and get them to toss up their cookies and code
 
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We want our FREE remotes!

NOW!!!!

Somebody, everybody, PLEASE call or email the FSF
 
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ok, correct me if i'm wrong, but a company is taking a 200 dollar piece of hardware, and hiking the price 1000 bucks because they added an application that is in violation of the GPL? wow... people have sunk to a new low.
 
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ok, correct me if i'm wrong, but a company is taking a 200 dollar piece of hardware, and hiking the price 1000 bucks because they added an application that is in violation of the GPL? wow... people have sunk to a new low.
Yes, it seems it's true!

So here it goes - please everyone write to your ( free! ) lawyer:

gpl@busybox.net

Subject: ELAN N800 Handheld Touch Panel - GPL infringement

Dear SFLC,

Please be advised that the source code for the following product is not available:


December 19th, 2007

ELAN Home Systems, a developer of multi-room A/V and come control systems, revealed today the early shipping of its new N800 touch controller. This remote on steroids is priced around $1,200.

The ELAN N800 offers wireless Internet access and lets one control ELAN and third party supported systems. A graphical interface allows you to control entertainment, theater and whole-house systems. It\u2019s based in part on Nokia hardware and sports a four-inch touchscreen display.

Features of the N800 include real-time status display for lighting, temperature and security systems as well as \u201cnow playing\u201d information from music sources, zoom, full-screen & panning functions, a full-screen finger keyboard, built-in stereo speakers and more. It is available now.


The url for the product is:
http://www.elanhomesystems.com/produ...anels/n800.asp

We will attempt to contact the company, but would also appreciate if you investigated this a bit further.

Best Regards
Also, for additional information, the GPL is enforced by the Software Freedom Law Center, who just recently settled a similar lawsuit concerning Busybox, which is the primary underlying foundation for the Nokia tablets, along with other GNU stuff and the Linux Kernel, which are all GPL.

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Originally Posted by gnexus View Post
OTOH, the N800 uses Linux. Unless somehow Nokia set them up using Symbian, their code is built upon GPL code. Therefore someone (the FSF), needs to force the GPL down their throat and get them to toss up their cookies and code
This paragraph is wrong in many ways. You can make closed system like this without violaing anything and still use linux as a kernel. You can even mix free and closed stuff in userspace like Nokia is doing in firmware of their tablets.
Do some basic research before grabbing torches and pitchforks :-)
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When checking their specs http://www.elanhomesystems.com/produ...N800_specs.asp it looks like stock Nokia firmware with preinstalled custom application (perhaps locked to device MAC address). This is not different from e.g. preinstalling Navicore and selling N800 as car navigation system. And no Navicore don't need to give us their sources.
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This paragraph is wrong in many ways. You can make closed system like this without violaing anything and still use linux as a kernel. You can even mix free and closed stuff in userspace like Nokia is doing in firmware of their tablets.
I'm a programmer by profession and real familiar with all that. . .

Geez... Fanoush, chill out a bit! It seems everybody on this site takes things a bit too seriously. My second post was originally made as a joke, actually. Then, later, after the other guys post, I decided WTF, might as well see if it's possible to get some code to reuse

Do some basic research before grabbing torches and pitchforks :-)
I think it is YOU who needs to do the research. I'm not just a programmer. I also have a bit of legal experience. It's not just the kernel we are talking about here. It's busybox, Gnome and all the other libraries involved in the OS and the application. This product not simplay an N800 with some extra GUI stuff (well, actually. . .). It is being marketed and sold as a new distinct product. Therefore they, and not Nokia, have to publish all the code they use that uses or links to any GPL code, or at least provide a link for it or a way to get it. They are not doing that. So they are breaking the GPL and are liable for copyright (left?) infringement unless they correct the situation.

I'm not saying they have to publish all their code. Only the GPL stuff. It's just like Nokia or anyone else.
 
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Originally Posted by fanoush View Post
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Do some basic research before grabbing torches and pitchforks :-)
RESEARCH!!
I'm all for torches and pitchforks!
How about some tar also?
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Originally Posted by gnexus View Post
Geez... Fanoush, chill out a bit! It seems everybody on this site takes things a bit too seriously. My second post was originally made as a joke, actually.
Well there is still a lot of people absolutely clueless about GPL so any joke about this just feeds the FUD Microsoft and others pushed few years ago (about GPL being viral, communistic etc.).
Originally Posted by gnexus View Post
I think it is YOU who needs to do the research. I'm not just a programmer. I also have a bit of legal experience. It's not just the kernel we are talking about here. It's busybox, Gnome and all the other libraries involved in the OS and the application. This product not simplay an N800 with some extra GUI stuff (well, actually. . .). It is being marketed and sold as a new distinct product. Therefore they, and not Nokia, have to publish all the code they use that uses or links to any GPL code, or at least provide a link for it or a way to get it. They are not doing that. So they are breaking the GPL and are liable for copyright (left?) infringement unless they correct the situation.
Well they need to provide sources only to their changes to GPL stuff (if any). And only to customers who actually bought the device, not any random person on the net. If they simply took N800 box from Nokia and added their proprietary application, they can just point to Nokia repositories. Even documentation that comes with the device should be enough (both Control panel->About and Nokia printed manuals).
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Originally Posted by gemniii42 View Post
How about some tar also?
Yeah, the real GNU one, not that cheap busybox rubbish. That will teach them! ;-)
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