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2012-06-16
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Elop's just a stooge. What about the board's, as they obviously still support him. In fact, what about the shareholders', who didn't even try to dump the lot of them at the AGM last month?
I just wonder what his (Elop) end game is...
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2012-06-16
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
The funny thing is that Microsoft is the next company to go down
It is very clear that many people on here just do not understand enough and consistently blame Elop for the downfall of Nokia and the amount of threads and posts to this effect is huge !!!!.
The facts are and have been very clear for a long time now but many just don't read outside of this somewhat ill-informed community, for those who are blaming him for nokia's downfall need to go read the news and try at least to digest some of it.
Elop is there for one reason only and that is the winding down of Nokia and it is so clear that by the September 21, 2010 Nokia was already finished (parden the pun) as a company and Elop has never had anything to do with any failures within Nokia, in fact he has done his job so good he will go down in history and his methods of winding down such a prominent company that was will be used for years !.
Move on from Nokia and try something else instead of this ridiculous mad charade of trying to convince the world that Meamo Meego meltemi will carry on because it won't !! its a simple as that.
Time to get real on here !!!.
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2012-06-16
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Ha that was a damm good remark and sadly to say as much as i would love that to happen it will never be, not at least for a very long time and certainly not in our lifetimes !.
The funny thing is that Microsoft is the next company to go down
Like to agree with you Dave but........
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2012-06-16
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#305
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Originally Posted by lma
Why would they want to get rid of Elop? "dump the lot of them" who are you referring too?.
Elop's just a stooge. What about the board's, as they obviously still support him. In fact, what about the shareholders', who didn't even try to dump the lot of them at the AGM last month?
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2012-06-16
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#306
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Sack the board,
sack the board,
sack the board.
Sack the board,
sack the board,
sack the boooaaaaard.
Sack the board,
sack the board,
sack the board.
Sack the board,
sack - the - board.
Repeat ad infinitum.
Where are the shareholders, when all their money is going down the drain? I'd be livid if I'd invested my money in these jokers.
sack the board,
sack the board.
Sack the board,
sack the board,
sack the boooaaaaard.
Sack the board,
sack the board,
sack the board.
Sack the board,
sack - the - board.
Repeat ad infinitum.
Where are the shareholders, when all their money is going down the drain? I'd be livid if I'd invested my money in these jokers.
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2012-06-16
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
No, think about it. Bringing Nokia down doesn't help their cause, it hurts them. If they wanted a hardware manufacturer, they could have bought other companies that are/were in trouble. If it's for patents, well those carry a price regardless of the company's status.
Gerby you just cannot be serious .... can you?, you don't know what the end of his "game" is?.
NOT a game it is all deadly serious and the end is as clear as daylight.
And bringing Nokia down doesn't help WP7 either. It's already relegated to a distant 4th place (if that, I'm being generous) with less than 5% of the market. So think about it... bringing Nokia down has to have an end game beyond what we've been thinking.
Sure, "Elop's a trojan" and "Elop's a stooge" is the rhetoric, but there's something at play here bigger than we're currently looking at. That's my point.
Bringing down a company is easy - ask Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. But when it hurts your branding, in this case WP7 which leads to WP8, then letting Nokia hurt like this instead of propping them up is a real stupid plan.
Originally Posted by lma
And that's exactly where I'm having a problem. The board isn't doing anything to stop this circling of the drain. I cannot remember a company that's allowed this to happen this badly in recent years.Elop's just a stooge. What about the board's, as they obviously still support him. In fact, what about the shareholders', who didn't even try to dump the lot of them at the AGM last month?
This is an implosion at the board of directors level. The CEO is just a tool to make that happen faster.
Originally Posted by Dave999
If Windows 8, Windows 8 RT and Windows Mobile 8 all fail, you're right.The funny thing is that Microsoft is the next company to go down
Scarily enough, with their archaic licensing scheme - $85 USD per Windows 8 RT license - I feel like they're setting themselves up for failure. Steve Ballmer is a much worse CEO than Stephen Elop. The writing for his failure(s) have been on the wall for ages.
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2012-06-16
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#308
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Sack the board
Look at the board, do those 50+ year old grandmas and grandpas look like meego fanboys to you?
Elop probably told them his ecosystem story, and they thought: "Isn't that a nice lad? He's so forthcoming. And his story about fishing in intact nature was very nice, you know the thing he told us about ecosystems..."
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2012-06-16
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the funny thing is the board has a number of Finnish people...why on earth are they not intervening even though Nokia has championed open source since a long time confuses me...
how they can allow a company with values and European production allow their best staff to be kicked out, production facilities be shut is surprising!
even if you're not a Nokia fan it hurts to see those people being laid off especially knowing a large number were working on open source projects...Android and iOS both scare me even though i've been using them for quite somewhile (privacy issues etc.) so the loss of this last hope is heart-wrenching.
how they can allow a company with values and European production allow their best staff to be kicked out, production facilities be shut is surprising!
even if you're not a Nokia fan it hurts to see those people being laid off especially knowing a large number were working on open source projects...Android and iOS both scare me even though i've been using them for quite somewhile (privacy issues etc.) so the loss of this last hope is heart-wrenching.
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2012-06-16
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Originally Posted by gerbick
OK then look at the big picture and then try to evaluate a few things here.....
No, think about it. Bringing Nokia down doesn't help their cause, it hurts them. If they wanted a hardware manufacturer, they could have bought other companies that are/were in trouble. If it's for patents, well those carry a price regardless of the company's status.
And bringing Nokia down doesn't help WP7 either. It's already relegated to a distant 4th place (if that, I'm being generous) with less than 5% of the market. So think about it... bringing Nokia down has to have an end game beyond what we've been thinking.
Sure, "Elop's a trojan" and "Elop's a stooge" is the rhetoric, but there's something at play here bigger than we're currently looking at. That's my point.
Bringing down a company is easy - ask Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. But when it hurts your branding, in this case WP7 which leads to WP8, then letting Nokia hurt like this instead of propping them up is a real stupid plan.
And that's exactly where I'm having a problem. The board isn't doing anything to stop this circling of the drain. I cannot remember a company that's allowed this to happen this badly in recent years.
This is an implosion at the board of directors level. The CEO is just a tool to make that happen faster.
If Windows 8, Windows 8 RT and Windows Mobile 8 all fail, you're right.
Scarily enough, with their archaic licensing scheme - $85 USD per Windows 8 RT license - I feel like they're setting themselves up for failure. Steve Ballmer is a much worse CEO than Stephen Elop. The writing for his failure(s) have been on the wall for ages.
You are getting there when you talk about patents because Microsoft will have to have full permission without falling foul of them, now you should be able to see a pawn in there game and a very important one ! Patents !!.
AGM's must inform all shareholders that are registered with the company of the meeting so they would obviously be there to vote.
Elop was appointed by vote at an agm but what is not told are the reasons for his approval as CEO, now is where you should be able to suss this out because we all know Nokia was coming to an abrupt end BEFORE the election of Elop.... right?.
All you got to work out now is what the shareholders would want when they know the company is going down for whatever reasons.
Now you see the reasons why Elop was appointed and that is to protect investments and the way forward to save a company doomed to go bankrupt.
Look into Elop's work history and you will see just why he is probably the best man for the job and of course his involvement in Microsoft who are the key player here.
Nokia will survive but only as a tool for Microsoft and that is where we all have to wait because if WP fails then the whole game is over and Nokia will remain part of Microsoft with no further development on anything Nokia achieved prior to the takeover and that means Maemo and everything else, will just die a death unless it is sold on.
Everything to do with Nokia means money and that is where Microsoft and Elop come into the picture, to satisfy all the shareholders.
People ain't stupid and certainly not shareholders so they will obviously know what is going on from the start of Elop and the reasons for his approval as CEO..
End of this is simple to see... Nokia is not coming down as it serves a perfect match for the progression of WP and that's what it is all about.
If i were a shareholder there is no way i would want anything to do with Maemo Meego Meltimi or anything else that failed for what ever reasons.
Is clear now or not?.
NOT a game it is all deadly serious and the end is as clear as daylight.