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Originally Posted by Dousan
Why on earth would anyone care for Harmattan without a device? Masochism?
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2012-06-22
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correct me if i'm wrong but the question is not about them being worthy of the award; its about more worthy members out there as well as the judges and contestants being the same. look at woody, he didn't put his name forward as he felt it not entirely right...if woody could do that why not the others?
if they needed devices why not declare it totally upfront not after submissions began? as Council members they are responsible for the whole community regardless of they have devices or not. there are Harmattan devs out there who have been developing without a device...are they less worthy of a Harmattan device than Council for whom you are saying a device is needed before they care for Harmattan???
if they needed devices why not declare it totally upfront not after submissions began? as Council members they are responsible for the whole community regardless of they have devices or not. there are Harmattan devs out there who have been developing without a device...are they less worthy of a Harmattan device than Council for whom you are saying a device is needed before they care for Harmattan???
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2012-06-22
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I don't personally feel anyone, including the council members, should need to give anything back. I still would like to see the minutes where the prizes were discussed and awarded, however. Or, someone take the time to write the reasoning of each prize on the wiki page. The thought of anyone that doesn't have any intention of coding receiving one of the last remaining dev kits is really sickening though.
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2012-06-22
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#184
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Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck
Nice of you to join us finally.
Quite.
What occurred was a little-publicized adjustment of the rules that allowed you to claim the awards for yourselves. This adjustment didn't occur until after submissions started, and after everyone's eyes were turned to other matters. abill_uk is right on the dot: no one would have stood for this were it apparent this would be the outcome.
Numerous other individuals hadn't received devices either - individuals who have made substantial actual contributions. Those individuals, such as e-yes, weren't awarded anything, because the council preferred to dispense the awards to itself.
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This situation is the essence of a conflict of interest, and the only acceptable solution at this point is for the awards to the councilors, at the very minimum, to be cancelled. Anything else is to render the whole matter a farce. I don't understand how anyone on this forum could find it reasonable to allow the judges of a competition, one intended to acknowledge valuable contributions to Maemo (including Harmattan), to loot it for their own personal gain.
Everyone needs to make it clear that this doesn't fly, no matter how minor the prizes are.
Not until a mitigation is put into place. This is a public matter, and it needs to be publically addressed.
I agree with all of your statements.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by nicolai
because it is only a few days since the community members have found out what has happened here and rightly so it is being brought up as a very serious problem about what the current council have actually done.
I agree and I think it wasn't a good idea from the council
members.
Anyway, if someone cares about it,
there were enough time to point this out. Why now?
It is that serious it will actually put a lot of people off to give there valuable time and effort to code for the benefit of a community run by such a council that have done something like this.
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2012-06-22
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abill_uk its not about putting people off from developing for the community...what this risks is the opening of wounds of past whereby freemantle devs didn't put efforts into harmattan even though they got n950s...this looks like a repeat...
what has hurt people here even more is that since we now are familiar with Nokia's intentions in the grand scale of things (June 14th announcement) the importance of these last rare dev kits fall in the absolute right hands...
The Council should have been more pragmatic when awarding the devices considering the changed dynamics and instead of simply going by past contributions looked at past and intention for developing in future for harmattan devices. After all devs like e-yes and itsnotabigtruck also have developed in the past (a time before the awarding of devices).
what has hurt people here even more is that since we now are familiar with Nokia's intentions in the grand scale of things (June 14th announcement) the importance of these last rare dev kits fall in the absolute right hands...
The Council should have been more pragmatic when awarding the devices considering the changed dynamics and instead of simply going by past contributions looked at past and intention for developing in future for harmattan devices. After all devs like e-yes and itsnotabigtruck also have developed in the past (a time before the awarding of devices).
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
Freemangordon himself said he has no intention of coding or doing anything for Harmattan, the post was in this thread, I wonder if it got deleted....
abill_uk its not about putting people off from developing for the community...what this risks is the opening of wounds of past whereby freemantle devs didn't put efforts into harmattan even though they got n950s...this looks like a repeat...
what has hurt people here even more is that since we now are familiar with Nokia's intentions in the grand scale of things (June 14th announcement) the importance of these last rare dev kits fall in the absolute right hands...
The Council should have been more pragmatic when awarding the devices considering the changed dynamics and instead of simply going by past contributions looked at past and intention for developing in future for harmattan devices. After all devs like e-yes and itsnotabigtruck also have developed in the past (a time before the awarding of devices).
Edit: found it it's here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=98
The issue I have is as much as I understand what Freemangordon has done for the community, what I understand is that he isn't doing anything for Harmattan, so this in theory is a waste of a kit.
Yes, he is well deserving, but he's not doing anything for the community, so why exactly did we give him one of the last remaining dev kits?
Just for him to play with the phone and to use it as his daily or not?
Freemangordon, this is not a knock or attack to you at all, just using you as an example.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
And do you think i don't know this and as i am agreeing with you 100% i just cannot accept the way this community is run and moderated and this happening just proves to me personally how it could have been different on here.
abill_uk its not about putting people off from developing for the community...what this risks is the opening of wounds of past whereby freemantle devs didn't put efforts into harmattan even though they got n950s...this looks like a repeat...
what has hurt people here even more is that since we now are familiar with Nokia's intentions in the grand scale of things (June 14th announcement) the importance of these last rare dev kits fall in the absolute right hands...
The Council should have been more pragmatic when awarding the devices considering the changed dynamics and instead of simply going by past contributions looked at past and intention for developing in future for harmattan devices. After all devs like e-yes and itsnotabigtruck also have developed in the past (a time before the awarding of devices).
I have had a long crusade to get Nokia to release much needed code and always got shouted down by it by the members who are either long standing or have control on here and get away with it.
I have my own personal grievances with this community and as i am probably the oldest member on here i see much that others don't and if you ask me it is all very sad.
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2012-06-22
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Arie exactly...thats my point...Not only freemangordon but vi_ too has already said he won't be helping the harmattan side of things. what's the point in giving them n950s...infact i would like to know what the Council would do with the n950s too...not knocking them but looking at the current situation with regards to Nokia and this community, it becomes essential for every single device to land in proper hands who will help take ths community forward with their contributions.
i'm sure after my post those high-priests will come and knock me saying you're new here and this for past contributions...i post the same question to them why not award it to devs whose past contributions as well as future intentions matter instead?
i'm sure after my post those high-priests will come and knock me saying you're new here and this for past contributions...i post the same question to them why not award it to devs whose past contributions as well as future intentions matter instead?
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by lma
You're really not reading what I'm writing.
Why on earth would anyone care for Harmattan without a device? Masochism?
again, caring for Harmattan or not, device or not is irrelevant. The election has been decided by the community (according to the procedures that were also decided by the community), and it's final for the next 6 months or so.
and how did they get elected in the first place if not due to past deeds? And why would the 5 specific people the community elected to represent them not be worthy of a community award?
They got elected cause they got voted for and yes for their past deeds, but that's not my point.
My point is you claim they should only care/take interest in Harmattan if they get a Harmattan device and that is idiotic. They are councilors for the whole community with a device ranging from 770 to N9 and as such are entittled to care for all maemo.org.
They deserve as much as anybody to recieve a device if they meet the criterias, wich they might do as a member of maemo.org (though they've run into a conflict of interest).
I'm only questioning your argument for them to recieve one, not the council nor they got elected nor how nor why.
It's your choise not to like Harmattan, but to make that a generel asumption is a mastake and I hope it's not the point of view the councilors have, then as i stated they should not have been elected cause they are not fit for taking care of maemo.org as a whole community.
Regards Dousan...
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