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2008-01-08 , 14:28
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#101
Originally Posted by EIPI View Post
Nicely said. My mind was blown recently when I experienced my first SSH session into my tablet from my Ubuntu server. It was literally like an epiphany occurred. Exploring various aspects of the tablet with help from these forums is now my hobby. I even find real uses for the various things I'm trying out too (e.g. SSH, Host mode, etc). I'm simply amazed at the stuff I can do with a pocket device that's a few hundred bucks.
Maybe the "Internet Tablet" is no longer the correct term to describe this device... I'd say it is "Pocket Computer", as that's what it really is. (With emphasis on internet connectivity and applications.)
 

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#102
Originally Posted by Mara View Post
Maybe the "Internet Tablet" is no longer the correct term to describe this device... I'd say it is "Pocket Computer", as that's what it really is. (With emphasis on internet connectivity and applications.)
Heh. You remember my Nokia blog on that subject, Mara? I continue to get pushback on that notion... but I'm with you.
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#103
I love the N810. But:

Originally Posted by xxM5xx View Post
This is a joke, right?
Wrong.

Originally Posted by xxM5xx View Post
For all the people who complain that the N800 is a buggy beta product unfit for the consumer market, I don't feel those people have much perspective. Tell me what computer product sold to consumers is defect free. Didn't these people ever use DOS versions 1 &2, Windows versions 1 & 2, Windows 95?, 98? WindowsME (oh WinME was sooo bad), even linux was buggy and incomplete.
From the perspective of 48 years of programming, and as a personal computer software publisher starting in 1980, I think you're mixing up examples at all stages of consumer polish. DOS and core linux were products for experimenters and hobbyists, not consumers.

What we're discussing here is whether the N8x0, in its current state, is a DOS or a Windows 95. Is it a product for hobbyists and software professionals, or is it ready for savvy consumers who don't do command line?

The issue isn't just bugs, it's the overall user experience. IMO the more serious problem is the level of polish on the software.

Originally Posted by xxM5xx View Post
Do you really have a problem understanding what the N800 can be used for? Just because you flashed the firmware (as we all did), and installed many apps (some more than once as we all did), you truly can't see beyond that? Do you need some killer apps pointed out to you? Mobile VOIP, GPS, MP3, emails, ebook reader, pocket pdf reader, pocket games, scientific calculator and lots more.
I see all those killer apps now.

I didn't see them when I opened the box and fired up my N810 two long weeks ago. I had to discover this online community, use the search function, learn about the alternate repository workaround, and install a bunch of apps, some of which (like claws-mail) replace placeholder apps that don't give the user much functionality.

I had to figure out how to tweak some features in the Nokia-supplied software that had inconsistent UIs, limited functionality, and no documentation other than help windows that could only be popped up once the menu item was discovered.

And because I'm not comfortable hacking at the linux command level, I am handcuffed in realizing more of the capabilities of the unit.

So - does this sound like a product ready for the consumer market?

It is a product for the hobbyist, the early adopter, and the linux hacker.

What excites and frustrates a lot of us is that with a good level of attention paid to polishing little details in the user interface, and filling out some of the features that are available but over-limited, it could be a killer consumer product.

That IMO is the most important point of this thread.
 
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#104
Originally Posted by bilofsky View Post
It is a product for the hobbyist, the early adopter, and the linux hacker.
Nokia readily acknowledges this.

And the next device out of the gate (Wimax tablet) probably won't excite too many people... but brace yourselves for iteration number 5.
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#105
48 years of programming, but uncomfortable at a command line prompt. How sad.
 

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#106
One of the things that bother me the most is the new OS2008. It represents a step ahead, mainly in terms of speed and UI, no doubt about, but IMO it is unacceptable they can release a "final" OS version with majors, evidents signs of a beta distribution: the bouncing keyboard issue, the finger keyboard issue, the context menu issue, the lack of lock function for home screen applets, etc. How are we to interpret this? Lack of professionalism? I love my N800, and I'm enjoying it, but that doesn't mean I cannot point some negatives aspects. As a "normal" user (not a Linux expert user), I care about this because I want to see the users community growing more and more, that's the best way to see more and better apps, as a "drone" I am regarding apps development.
 
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...the lack of lock function for home screen applets...
I keep seeing complaints about this, but I've never had a desktop applet move when I didn't want it to in OS2008. I've read that the method of scrolling in GPE Summary conflicts with moving applets. Is that the problem everyone who complains about this is having? If so, is redesigning GPE Summary a possible solution?

Please understand this isn't an attempt to shift blame from Nokia to the GPE developers. Enough people here seem ready to break out the torches and pitchforks that I believe there is some sort of problem. I've simply never seen it, possibly because I don't use GPE Summary.

If GPE Summary isn't the only source of the problem, then what in tarnation are folks doing with their desktops to make their applets skitter all over the place?
 
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the lack of lock function for home screen applets, etc. How are we to interpret this?
The previous OS locked the applets by default. People complained. Maemo changed it.

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#109
I keep seeing complaints about this, but I've never had a desktop applet move when I didn't want it to in OS2008.
My complaint is not that the applets move when I don't want them to, this has never happened, but rather to size and postion them to where I want them to be.

The old Os2007 way made it easy to arrange them, the new Os2008 makes it a nightmare.
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
I keep seeing complaints about this, but I've never had a desktop applet move when I didn't want it to in OS2008. I've read that the method of scrolling in GPE Summary conflicts with moving applets. Is that the problem everyone who complains about this is having? If so, is redesigning GPE Summary a possible solution?

Please understand this isn't an attempt to shift blame from Nokia to the GPE developers. Enough people here seem ready to break out the torches and pitchforks that I believe there is some sort of problem. I've simply never seen it, possibly because I don't use GPE Summary.

If GPE Summary isn't the only source of the problem, then what in tarnation are folks doing with their desktops to make their applets skitter all over the place?
Maybe because GPE Summary is the only applet that has a scrolling bar on it..I guess
 
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