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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by specc
You keep repeating it. What is that "closed ecosystem"? What is ecosystem altogether? Jolla is using Mer, which is open and uses open development tools. Jolla OS (whatever will be the final name) will be able to use open libraries from Linux stack (Qt, OpenGL ES, ALSA/PulseAudio, SDL/OpenAL and etc.). What's closed about them? Either be more clear, or stop trolling.
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by TheLongshot
I think you are fooling yourself if you think that a closed system like Jolla (apparently) will let the community have any saying about the core functionality. The core functionality is more tied to HW and UX, and ecosystem.
It depends on how you define "open". Does the community have a say in the direction of Android? No. Can the community contribute to core Android functionality? No. Can you roll your own distribution of Android? Very limited.
You can roll your own distribution of Android, no problems. The main hurdle is to make a viable ecosystem. Amazon does it.
Back in the days I was a fan of BeOS. A really excellent OS. An open source clone exist today. BeOS was eventually scrapped because if I remember correctly "the time of new operating systems has ended" (or something like that). What does that mean? It means that even though you create the most perfect of operating systems it will not live, because OS is no longer a deciding factor. That's why Linux have never made it into desktops, and why Mac has grown in popularity. In other words - ecosystem is the deciding factor.
If Jolla had some cool new ideas regarding ecosystems, they maybe would have a chance (and a much better chance if they forked Android). If they had some cool stuff that made the ecosystem irrelevant (cool HW, Alien Dalvik maybe), they would have a chance. So far I have seen nothing. It seems as though they just want to continue where they left off regardless of how the world around them looks. That is no recipe for success.
Untill Jolla comes with some more relevant info, I will stop now
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Did you even read the interview with Jolla a few pages back?
You keep repeating it. What is that "closed ecosystem"? What is ecosystem altogether? Jolla is using Mer, which is open and uses open development tools. Jolla OS (whatever will be the final name) will be able to use open libraries from Linux stack (Qt, OpenGL ES, ALSA/PulseAudio, SDL/OpenAL and etc.). What's closed about them? Either be more clear, or stop trolling.
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2012-07-17
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All these ecosystem talks sound completely out of place. Belong more to biological/environmental forums.
Last edited by shmerl; 2012-07-17 at 18:19.
Originally Posted by specc
Yes. Few key points from there - they'll use Mer (it's open). They'll have open mode option for their device. They will contribute open code to the community (as possible). No more information so far. So stop all this ecosystem nonsense please.
Did you even read the interview with Jolla a few pages back?
Last edited by shmerl; 2012-07-17 at 18:19.
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Truthfully, I didn't. Whenever someone says "ecosystem" I know what they have in mind is a food chain with themselves at the very top and me at the very bottom, and my brain has learned to just tune it out automatically.
Besides that, nobody noticing
..this?- Jolla intends to donate as much of its code back to the open source community and this way develop the ecosystem. We do not want to own the ecosystem but lead it.
But riddle me this: what good is having the code if you can't run your modifications? The only utility I can see is potentially running it on someone else's more open hardware.
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by lma
Exactly. And the difference between this and the way Google is running is things is what?
But riddle me this: what good is having the code if you can't run your modifications? The only utility I can see is potentially running it on someone else's more open hardware.
Jolla is obviously planning a one way street the same way Google is doing. Devices will run on Jolla-modified Mer, nothing else. Further up they clearly stated they won't do user enabled firmwares.
Time to sober up. Jolla is not what you make/want it to be.
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by specc
Where exactly did they say user won't be able to boot/install other OSes on the device at all?
Further up they clearly stated they won't do user enabled firmwares
They said:
Jolla phone will be a real smartphone aimed at the mass consumer market. It will not be aimed to just Linux-geeks. Consumer will not be able to directly hack the kernel or to flash it with new software.
Our intention is to make separate version for Open Source community, Linux enthusiasts and people interested about open systems, in which these (these as in the things mentioned above) will be possible.
Last edited by shmerl; 2012-07-17 at 19:31.
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by specc
So, what exactly is "my" so called ecosystem that not everyone like?
Why do you like Jolla, when you know they are going to make a closed ecosystem?
do they? Never heard of sounds like you have inside info... Or just trolling...
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2012-07-17
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Originally Posted by specc
Do you have any hard to back up your claims? You seems to know exactly what direction Jolla is going and what their take on software is going to be. I understand your trying to say your opinion but after multiple post yours just saying the same thing as a fact
Exactly. And the difference between this and the way Google is running is things is what?
Jolla is obviously planning a one way street the same way Google is doing. Devices will run on Jolla-modified Mer, nothing else. Further up they clearly stated they won't do user enabled firmwares.
Time to sober up. Jolla is not what you make/want it to be.
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2012-07-17
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What kind of consumer segment are you after? Is the coming phone intended only for Linux geeks?
- Our first phone is coming up later this year. And because in this market it is very difficult to operate as a small company we intend to become a serious player.
- The phone will be a smart phone for mass market. It will not be a tech phone intended for Linux hackers. Consumers are not able to hack kernel or flash new software for the device.
- We are however planning on creating a development version of the phone for open source community, those interested in Linux and open systems and for partners.
Jolla intends to donate as much of its code back to the open source community and this way develop the ecosystem. We do not want to own the ecosystem but lead it.
Please people, have you gone blind?
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