Again, all asked on a single thread, on an automated Council post from the blog that's not being monitored because it intentionally pointed to another, much more active thread. Btw, in case you missed the link, your question was answered before you even posted it here. You just failed to find it, much as you're accusing me of here. And it wasn't "5 days". It was 3 at best, and two of those being weekend days.

If someone wants to ask the Council something, we have a thread for that, called ASK THE COUNCIL. For election stuff, there's another dedicated thread. There's also an e-mail address and weekly IRC meetings. Sorry, but the fact of the matter is if you can't be bother to at least ask a question in one of several well known forums for such questions, you should hardly whine about a late answer. (Especially when the question HAD been answered before you even asked it, in the proper thread.)

Wow... Pot calling the kettle black? You spoke to others is far worse tones far more often than I have here.

Oh, and trying to pull people into your argument won't work, no matter how hard you try. None of this was for Mentalist. Did you see his name anywhere in that thread? The only person mentioned, and the only quotes posted, were from you, with the exception of the zinger from Zogg.

In this case, the shoe fits. Considering this entire thread has been you bashing me, you deserved every hit you got.

As for my tone and the "tone of Council", as you may note, I'm not speaking for Council here. Unlike past Chairs, I make it abundantly clear when I'm speaking for Council and when I'm not. Add to that the fact that I'm not seeking a position as Council again, I'm feeling a little more free to speak my mind. Especially when provoked and attacked by others.

As for not replying, I figured you wouldn't reply to the tough questions. You never did. You ignore, and deflect, and blame, and condemn others for your own actions. You swindle your way through everything, and when there's nothing left for you to personally gain, you point the finger at others and run. Council, your "community project", pretty much everything you've ever done that I can see.

Enjoy your ill-gotten gains while you can. Karma's a ßitch, and eventually it will catch up to you. I just hope I'm far enough away to not get hit with the spray of what's left of you when it does.

But if you leave that understanding out, one could see it as just that. Just look at the other posts in this thread. And by chiming in on the same thread you may have gotten inadvertently lumped into the same group by Zogg. (I've mad the same mistake myself at times, as have we all.)

That was more for someone else. And yes, it can be hard to keep up with everything on TMO. Trust me, I know that quite well.

This, again, was not directed at you, but rather an acknowledgement that in general this is not the first time this proposal was on the table. This exact plan was laid out a year and a half to 2 years ago, and the community at the time yelled it down. To be fair, Nokia was still in good shape, and the rep was poo-pooing the concern publicly, as were many senior members. But having that plan to work off of is one of the key items that allowed us to do all this in such a short time frame.

The lesson to learn? Next time someone that's otherwise had a history of being sane starts pulling the chicken little routine; maybe it's best to let them setup the ground work, if it won't hurt anything to do so, just in case the sky does start falling.

I feel it quite funny, that you defend your aggressive/offensive replies to me and others, by "I'm speaking for myself, not as a Chair" - IIRC, when I was a chair, my habit of leaving diplomacy behind was one of main reasons for your attacks. Also, rest of Council clearly stated, that in their opinion, *more* of polite and diplomatic tone is required from Chair, than from other people.

When I've fundamentally disagreed with views of rest Councilors (mainly on much more important matters than "diplomacy", but "oh well"), I've stepped down. You keep Your Council position, and, furthermore, you have stepped in chair's shoes. Don't feel surprised, that standards you've demanded from others, are now expected from your side.

/Estel

// Edit

I have yet to decide, if your comment about "dropping candidacy for next Council" is more funny, or miserable. Sure - after all, you've dropped your name into hat (what a surprise!) of election for Board of Directors - i.e. body that will have real power (in this case, to be misused, I'm afraid) over things important for Community, including decisions about finances (aka real money) from donations.

Yea, it's really surprising, that you have preferred it over to-be-castrated, no-one-know-what-it's-left-for-nor-want-to-candidate-for-it, AD 2013 Council.

I really need to remind, that literally *NO ONE* want(ed) to become Councilor, until current Council double-submitted for BoD and Council (despite stating earlier, that different people should maintain those positions), + one ex-Maemo contributor, inactive for ~2 years, got exhumated from his IRC "kingdom", to act as "deer", volunteering for useless position, that no one want to touch with a long stick, after moving to Hildon Foundation scheme?

/Estel

Since I'm doomed to do my term on next council ;-) I think I may state here that I'd be very interested in Mentalist joining in. Though it's not exactly according to procedure to accept late nominations, I think the whole point of this "quarantine" period was to ensure fair votes. Since there's no vote at all, how's it any good to keep a volunteer out of council due to being 3 days late?

If this request can't be followed without again starting a shitstorm, I'll step down for council, resulting in remaining candidates number = 2, which in turn causes extention of nomination period. Up to you.

Cheers
jOERG

I see no problem with this.

+1

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Those thanks mean that I would like to see Mentalist in Council too

I support this move as well, Mentalist belongs in council.

While we are on the topic, can we just ban Estel?

He wastes so much time without actually doing anything. Woody, please stop responding to him, ignore the troll and the troll will go away.

I also support Mentalist joining Council, we will him need for sure.

As it problem with people already submitted and you want to get mentalist ( though i don't see that as problem at such hard and new things like BoD and all pressure to get extra help), some one could maybe give him his place or we can find other way around.