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gerbick	2012-10-11 , 09:34
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

No, they did not have a 'flat percentage of sales', they had 36% growth year on year, they had a respectable gross margin and their smart devices division was making healthy profits. Obsessing over market share when you have very healthy growth and a rapidly expanding market is vanity and vanity makes fools of us all.

iOS' market share is now declining against Android, I don't hear many people talking of how badly Apple are doing and how they need to abandon iOS and start again from scratch.

What was the market growth during that same period?

That will answer if it were a loss or flat percentage of growth.

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specc	2012-10-11 , 11:56
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I assume you really mean the 5800 which had a 434MHz processor, 128 MB of RAM, resistive touch screen and no GPU.

I have used Android on a device with twice this spec and it was CHUFFING TORTURE.

The 5800 was great budget device of course, full of functionality, but stop pretending this was ever an iPhone competitor. Again it is a testament to Symbian you can get acceptable performance from such extraordinarily modest hardware.

The iPhone had a 412 MHz CPU. The HTC magic a 528 MHz.

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switch-hitter	2012-10-11 , 13:00
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Originally Posted by specc

The iPhone had a 412 MHz CPU.

Separate GPU, no multitasking, no USB, no bluetooth and all apps had to be written in Objective-C. Not only that but it pre-dated the 5800 by 15 months. Thank you, you emphasise my point, NOKIA were trying to shoehorn a smartphone OS into hardware more appropriate to the previous years feature phones.

Originally Posted by specc

The HTC magic a 528 MHz.

Android SUCKS on low grade hardware, it did then and it does now.

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switch-hitter	2012-10-11 , 13:02
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Originally Posted by gerbick

What was the market growth during that same period?

That will answer if it were a loss or flat percentage of growth.

Irrelevant, if you want to know if your sales have grown you compare them to your own sales of a previous period.

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gerbick	2012-10-11 , 13:04
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Irrelevant, if you want to know if your sales have grown you compare them to your own sales of a previous period.

Not really. If you grow 36%, yet the market grew 118%, then you've not kept pace.

That seems to be what happened in regards to the smartphone market.

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Lumiaman	2012-10-11 , 13:49
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n8 was doing OK because they kept cutting prices and profits were going downwards. they knew they couldnt do this forever.....

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thedead1440	2012-10-11 , 14:41
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

n8 was doing OK because they kept cutting prices and profits were going downwards. they knew they couldnt do this forever.....

Code:

s/n8/lumia\ 800/

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specc	2012-10-11 , 15:26
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

Separate GPU, no multitasking, no USB, no bluetooth and all apps had to be written in Objective-C. Not only that but it pre-dated the 5800 by 15 months. Thank you, you emphasise my point, NOKIA were trying to shoehorn a smartphone OS into hardware more appropriate to the previous years feature phones.

Android SUCKS on low grade hardware, it did then and it does now.

I still have my Magic. It runs just fine, nice and fluid (1.6). At that time a 528 MHz CPU was top of the line. There were no other Androids around either, but they startet coming in hordes.

Symbian phones used to run 200MHz.

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Lumiaman	2012-10-11 , 17:32
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anybody here use N8? it was the worst possible phone I got. I unearthed it 2 months ago and upgraded to newest Belle or whatever. Still horrible. crashed, rebooted, virtual keyboard absolutely sucks when compared to WP or iOS. Why would even folks in third world want this crap when they got better devices from competitors now?