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2012-10-25 , 19:43
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Facts stands:

Windows has NO chance compete with KDE Desktop enviroment and Linux whatever marketing **** Ballmer and his team will use.
 

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2012-10-25 , 20:01
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
I liked Ubuntu until they started with that Unity crap. I'm not sure why they think a tablet-style UX is suitable for desktop machines with a keyboard and mouse. Also, it seems some Linux distros are becoming as bloated as Windoze these days. I suppose that's the price of attracting new users. If my time had no value, I'd switch to Arch Linux.

EDIT: On topic - I will never use Windoze again. After years of suffering, that's one of the best things about not having a boss. I can use whatever OS and software I want. *Insert evil laugh*
Tablet??

It's just a regular desktop, with the taskbar on the side. I have tried to use it on a tablet. Really. It's unusable. It relies heavily on the keyboard. Gnome shell is better on a tablet. In fact unity is too much like a windows 7/mac os hybrid.

But I got used to it and since 12.04 I think it has reached a very nice level of usability. You just tap super or alt and write. No more searching in menus, be it the current application menu or the system menu.

They have a lot of ground to cover towards consistency overall but they're working on it.

What I hate most is the new adware thing, especially because it involves amazon.

Now back on topic:
Windows 8. This is a tablet OS. With a desktop mode. Awesome, I always wanted a tablet with desktop mode (just like easy debian). The desktop isn't disruptive in the tablet workflow, it's just another app.

The other way around I think it's awful. The already complicated Three level multitasking (apps->windows->tabs) has now become 5 level. OS -> metro apps -> desktop -> apps -> windows -> tabs. And you can't switch between a metro app and a desktop app but with alt+tab (if they haven't changed it after the consumer preview). I think they broke the whole concept of multitasking with those two levels, when you are working primarily on desktop mode.

P.S. I just want to go to a store and hide and wait for the first wave of disgruntled WinRT customers comes back and this happens:
-- I downloaded winrar and it says I can't install it, it has a problem
-- No you can't install apps on WinRT it's like the iPad
-- But the store doesn't have many apps like the iPad.
-- It will grow
-- Never mind, take it back and give me an iPad
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2012-10-25 , 22:04
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
EDIT: On topic - I will never use Windoze again. After years of suffering, that's one of the best things about not having a boss. I can use whatever OS and software I want. *Insert evil laugh*
yaa, what i can tell you about it... you will need it again, although you don't like it, depends on your custumors of course, but don't put too much hope in that...

i am my own boss and there are too many "apps" i need everyday:
Outlook
Photoshop
Excel
Acrobat
Word
InDesign

and on and on and on... and there is just no alternative LINUX-way... i really tried id, but it does not work... OpenOffice and Gimp and stuff are good, i know, but there are many limits...

customers want their stuff and they get their stuff....

Edit: and please don't tell me about Thunderbird or Lotus Notes, i tried that too and it does not work with customers overalll...
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2012-10-25 , 22:07
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Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
Now back on topic:
Windows 8. This is a tablet OS. With a desktop mode. Awesome, I always wanted a tablet with desktop mode (just like easy debian). The desktop isn't disruptive in the tablet workflow, it's just another app.
This alrady is integrated better in KDE just use Desktop Activitys and there you have it. You can even script it as you want.

On my laptop I am using one activity when disconnected from external screen and another activity when connected.

Different activitys can also work on "linux tablets" ofcourse, but because of microsoft patent FUD and soon also loocked bootloaders we probadly will never see any real Linux tablets on the market runing KDE (or ubuntu)

But people should atleast consider to checkout KDE(kubuntu or opensuse edition) if not already done, so they know that Windows8 is not something fresh, Microsoft just copy suff here and there over and over again and then say "Hey we come here with something new for u"
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
But people should atleast consider to checkout KDE(kubuntu or opensuse edition) if not already done, so they know that Windows8 is not something fresh, Microsoft just copy suff here and there over and over again and then say "Hey we come here with something new for u"
I am really enjoying KDE at the moment. I used to be a big GNOME guy, but the major suckage that is Unity drove me to look at the alternatives. Now I'm sticking with KDE.
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Originally Posted by Leinad View Post
yaa, what i can tell you about it... you will need it again, although you don't like it, depends on your custumors of course, but don't put too much hope in that...

i am my own boss and there are too many "apps" i need everyday:
Outlook
Photoshop
Excel
Acrobat
Word
InDesign

and on and on and on... and there is just no alternative LINUX-way... i really tried id, but it does not work... OpenOffice and Gimp and stuff are good, i know, but there are many limits...

customers want their stuff and they get their stuff....

Edit: and please don't tell me about Thunderbird or Lotus Notes, i tried that too and it does not work with customers overalll...
I know where you are coming from, I have previously had to use Windoze for debugging Symbian applications, but apart from that, I'm OK, and I don't plan on targeting Symbian devices again (it's a clusterfvck). I don't really need any office stuff in my daily work, which is where MS has the stranglehold, due to proprietary document formats. Qt Creator, Eclipse, Netbeans, various SDKs. These all work nicely in Linux.
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Originally Posted by Leinad View Post
yaa, what i can tell you about it... you will need it again, although you don't like it, depends on your custumors of course, but don't put too much hope in that...

i am my own boss and there are too many "apps" i need everyday:
Outlook
Photoshop
Excel
Acrobat
Word
InDesign

and on and on and on... and there is just no alternative LINUX-way... i really tried id, but it does not work... OpenOffice and Gimp and stuff are good, i know, but there are many limits...

customers want their stuff and they get their stuff....
That's the "problem" with Windows, and always have been. No-one likes it, but it gets the job done - always. If the "job" only consists of surfing the web and reading mail, then anything works.
 

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If my time had no value, I'd switch to Arch Linux.
Actually, I discovered after switching to Arch Linux, I've spent less time managing my distribution than I normally do with Fedora or Ubuntu. I've been letting several my Linux boxes run by themselves for more than a year between updates, and once you've fallen a couple of regular updates behind, it takes a surprising amount of effort to get caught up. With the Arch "rolling update" system, though, you pretty much use the same command whether you updated a week ago or a year ago, and I've had far fewer glitches during updates than I've had with the other distributions.

In any case, I've found managing an Arch system to be quite a bit smoother than I expected. You might be surprised how easy it is.
 

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Guys, I bought a upgrade its almost the same as the preview. Time to wait for Windows 9 Probably running in some kind of Microsoft cloud.
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Originally Posted by Leinad View Post
yaa, what i can tell you about it... you will need it again, although you don't like it, depends on your custumors of course, but don't put too much hope in that...

i am my own boss and there are too many "apps" i need everyday:
Outlook
Photoshop
Excel
Acrobat
Word
InDesign

and on and on and on... and there is just no alternative LINUX-way... i really tried id, but it does not work... OpenOffice and Gimp and stuff are good, i know, but there are many limits...

customers want their stuff and they get their stuff....

Edit: and please don't tell me about Thunderbird or Lotus Notes, i tried that too and it does not work with customers overalll...
Photoshop works fine in WINE, don't know about the others.
 

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