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jonathandueck	2008-01-18 , 21:13
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Hi, folks,

I've got an OS2008 N800, and I like it a lot (can't wait for Abiword to be packaged for OS2008). The one thing I'm really missing though, on the tablet, is a single-pane outliner, like Tkoutline (http://tkoutline.sourceforge.net/wiki/)

Does anyone know of such an outliner (not a 2-pane outliner like Notecase, for organizing data, but a single-pane outliner, for writing papers &c) for the N800? Alternately, does anyone know if TKoutline might work on the N800?

Cheers,
Jon

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	dubwise	2008-01-18 , 22:27
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Maemopad+ might do what you need.

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	linux_author	2008-01-19 , 03:05
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Originally Posted by jonathandueck

Hi, folks,

I've got an OS2008 N800, and I like it a lot (can't wait for Abiword to be packaged for OS2008). The one thing I'm really missing though, on the tablet, is a single-pane outliner, like Tkoutline (http://tkoutline.sourceforge.net/wiki/)

Does anyone know of such an outliner (not a 2-pane outliner like Notecase, for organizing data, but a single-pane outliner, for writing papers &c) for the N800? Alternately, does anyone know if TKoutline might work on the N800?

- i have run some legacy (circa '96) tcl/tk clients via MaemoTK:

http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gn...k/maemoTk.html

have a happy!

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GeraldKo	2009-07-04 , 21:32
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I'd like a SINGLE-pane outliner. dubwise suggested above MaemoPad+, but it (like Notecase and others I've seen for Maemo) are TWO-pane outliners.

linux_author's suggestion -- maemoTk -- is a Single-Pane outliner, but I can't get it to work. Maybe because it was built for Bora and I'm using Diablo?

To be clear, here's a pic of a single-pane outliner (TKoutline):

Does anyone know of a single-pane outline program for the Tablets running Diablo?

Or could you tell me (a non-coding non-Linux-but-for-a-little-on-the-tablet user) how to remedy this error:

Error in startup script: couldn't load file
"/usr/lib/tcl8.5/gnocl-0.9.90/gnocl.so": libhildonwidgets.so.0: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
while executing
"load /usr/lib/tcl8.5/gnocl-0.9.90/gnocl.so"
("package ifneeded Gnocl 0.9.90" script)
invoked from within
"package require Gnocl 0.9.90"
(file "/usr/bin/maemoTk" line 9)

(I installed all these, as seemed to be required: gnocl-0.9.90-3_armel.deb and tcl8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb and tk8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb)

(If anyone is reading this who uses Classic Mac emulation, I could send you an OLD program called MindWrite, a great wordprocessor/outliner; maybe I'll put in Basilisk and try emulation, but I haven't yet. If anyone wants the best single-pane outliner -- and so much more -- for Windows, look for a free download of EccoPro. Or ask me.)

(Another aside: here's a single-pane outliner specifically for the iPhone.)

Last edited by GeraldKo; 2009-07-04 at 21:36.

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	timsamoff	2009-07-05 , 02:50
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Wouldn't Conboy do this for you?

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GeraldKo	2009-07-05 , 16:25
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Originally Posted by timsamoff

Wouldn't Conboy do this for you?

Tim

Thanks, Tim, I've been following Conboy since Conny first mentioned it, but it's not a replacement for an outliner.

I can see how my pictured sample could make Conboy look more relevant than it is. Its repeated reference to hyperlinks is a red herring. And what appears as bulleted lists aren't the essence. What matters is that there are multiple levels of indents and that you can hide -- "collapse" -- and unhide sublevels, which allows you to readily change focus from the Big Picture to the details of subcategories and then back again. It also simplifies navigation.

In the pictured outline, the great majority of its content is in a hidden state.

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KristianW	2009-07-07 , 22:18
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo

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What matters is that there are multiple levels of indents and that you can hide -- "collapse" -- and unhide sublevels, which allows you to readily change focus from the Big Picture to the details of subcategories and then back again. It also simplifies navigation.

In the pictured outline, the great majority of its content is in a hidden state.

( There was such an outliner for the Psion, a geat tool! )

Exactly what is needed for our NITs !!

I have been looking for a good outliner a long time.
( Guess I will take a look at MaemoTK.)

NoteCase could, of course, be used for writing long texts.
It's tree structure would work as a replacement for the hide/unhide function.
Subnodes would simulate indentation.
( It might even be better for the overall organizing of a long text, as nodes can be easily moved.)
For writing and editing it would probably be quite a bit more cumbersome.

EDIT: Notecase can be toggled to right (text) pane occupying the whole screen.

Last edited by KristianW; 2009-07-08 at 11:38.

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ballfresno	2009-07-07 , 23:04
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Emacs with org-mode does exactly what you want... but YMMV in terms of the interface etc! I bought my N800 for exactly this reason and this reason alone (everything else is a bonus).

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	qole	2009-07-08 , 00:18
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Looks like you need to download and install tk8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb and tcl8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb from here.

Then you download tkoutline-0.93.tar.gz from here. You then have to unpack tkoutline, like this:

Code:

tar xzvf tkoutline-0.93.tar.gz

Then you run

Code:

wish <install dir>/tkoutline-0.93/bin/tkoutline.tcl

That should get you TKoutline. It isn't hildonized. I thought the tk toolkit would have at least given me an icon on the task switcher bar. Oh well...

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GeraldKo	2009-07-08 , 08:46
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Originally Posted by ballfresno

Emacs with org-mode does exactly what you want... but YMMV in terms of the interface etc! I bought my N800 for exactly this reason and this reason alone (everything else is a bonus).

You're right -- this appears to be exactly what I'm talking about. It doesn't look like a Maemo app (and Maemo is the only OS I've loaded so far). How are you running it on your N800?