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2013-02-10
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Originally Posted by shmerl
* How much of ubuntus unity is stuff made by people outside Canonical? To me its seems halfclosed project already.
I don't see it as a war. There is a lot of room for collaboration. Wars are the agenda of evil empires. Open source projects should have better goals.
* Firefox has none intrests in Qt AFAIK.
* BB10 is most closed
SailfishOS and Ubuntu should coorperate but I doubt they will. Ubuntu has in history shown theyr not so intrested in coorperate with FOSS anymore. Just take a look at Gnome and KDE... Both ditched by Canonical in favour of unity...
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2013-02-10
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#283
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...dished? You mean ditched. If we are not talking about Dish or DirectTV et al 
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2013-02-10
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One thing I thinked about in case of sailfishOS...
If they have any intrests left in europe to sell some phones here:
Why not cooperate with KDE team to sync phone with KDE desktop? If we take a closer look at the other platforms:
BB10 has its HUB/syncing stuff even if I am not clear exact what it is about.
Ubuntu Mobile will work well with Ubuntu desktop.
IOS syncs with Apple products.
WP == Microsoft
and so on....
What I am missing on Hartmattan is a good way to syncronize N9 with my KDE linux desktop. some kind of push function to send and receive stuff and share music with amarok etc... stored passwords using kwallet should sync well with salfishOS passwordwallet etc...
Ofcourse this should open technologys so they can be ported to whatever OS people use on desktop. But atleast on start it should support KDE. Both KDE and Jolla would win alot to cooperate on this.
Last edited by mikecomputing; 2013-02-10 at 12:51.
If they have any intrests left in europe to sell some phones here:
Why not cooperate with KDE team to sync phone with KDE desktop? If we take a closer look at the other platforms:
BB10 has its HUB/syncing stuff even if I am not clear exact what it is about.
Ubuntu Mobile will work well with Ubuntu desktop.
IOS syncs with Apple products.
WP == Microsoft
and so on....
What I am missing on Hartmattan is a good way to syncronize N9 with my KDE linux desktop. some kind of push function to send and receive stuff and share music with amarok etc... stored passwords using kwallet should sync well with salfishOS passwordwallet etc...
Ofcourse this should open technologys so they can be ported to whatever OS people use on desktop. But atleast on start it should support KDE. Both KDE and Jolla would win alot to cooperate on this.
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2013-02-10
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Canonical said only one person (in the entire company) was working on KDE for Ubuntu (The Kubuntu project) and they've seized supporting it because he's decided to move to another job.
It would be unwise for them to choose to support something that isn't getting much attention.
Now for Gnome, I can't make any excuses for them. As far as I know, they are working in open-source, so technically they are working for free and can do whatever they want.
And they want to support their OWN gui, emphasis on "their". The disadvantage is that it wont be collaborated with others, at least not soon. But the advantage is, they can choose the design decisions and try to make something that can be "sought after" in today's finger friendly and gesture-based GUI interfaces. This wouldn't be possible on other gui's or without forking it.
It would be unwise for them to choose to support something that isn't getting much attention.
Now for Gnome, I can't make any excuses for them. As far as I know, they are working in open-source, so technically they are working for free and can do whatever they want.
And they want to support their OWN gui, emphasis on "their". The disadvantage is that it wont be collaborated with others, at least not soon. But the advantage is, they can choose the design decisions and try to make something that can be "sought after" in today's finger friendly and gesture-based GUI interfaces. This wouldn't be possible on other gui's or without forking it.
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2013-02-10
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Eeeeehm... KDE hasn't neccesarily be on (K)ubuntu, there are many other distros that use KDE, openSuSe for example. I don't follow your logic, So why isn't KDE getting much attention? KDE != Kubuntu
Canonical said only one person (in the entire company) was working on KDE for Ubuntu (The Kubuntu project) and they've seized supporting it because he's decided to move to another job.
It would be unwise for them to choose to support something that isn't getting much attention.
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2013-02-10
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
You left out the most successful (in terms of marketshare), Android...
Why not cooperate with KDE team to sync phone with KDE desktop? If we take a closer look at the other platforms:
BB10 has its HUB/syncing stuff even if I am not clear exact what it is about.
Ubuntu Mobile will work well with Ubuntu desktop.
IOS syncs with Apple products.
WP == Microsoft
And as you can see, it does not sync with any of the desktop OSs like the above ones, and for a good reason - in the smartphone era lots of your users don't even have a PC.
Supporting KDE would be a waste of resources, as the userbase is so very small.
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2013-02-10
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
But is Sailfish any different than Ubuntu in this regard? In fact, isn't Ubuntu better here. From all that's been read Sailfish core UI is closed source. Ubuntu's core UI might be developed mainly by Canonical, but from all that I've read it seems it will be open source.
* How much of ubuntus unity is stuff made by people outside Canonical? To me its seems halfclosed project already.
* Firefox has none intrests in Qt AFAIK.
* BB10 is most closed
SailfishOS and Ubuntu should coorperate but I doubt they will. Ubuntu has in history shown theyr not so intrested in coorperate with FOSS anymore. Just take a look at Gnome and KDE... Both ditched by Canonical in favour of unity...
On top of that to me they seem to try to engage the community more. For example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/
Of course much of Sailfish is still quite shrouded and could change. But to me, at the moment, Ubuntu seems more open source.
Personally I'm looking forward to both of them. At the moment I have more trust in Sailfish in understanding the mobile space better (ie. giving us developers better and more complete APIs), and in Ubuntu for more open source and community involment.
But all this can change as time passes. These are anyway the 2 mobile operating systems I'm looking forward to and I hope there will be some co-operation between them at least on QML components level.
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2013-02-10
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So far they indicated that they are interested in collaboration:
http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermai...ry/000126.html
We'll see how it will go.
In general I think Sailifish is going to be more open source, especially in the sense of open development. Ubuntu uses mostly the closed development model with practically no input from outside on their design plans.
http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermai...ry/000126.html
We'll see how it will go.
In general I think Sailifish is going to be more open source, especially in the sense of open development. Ubuntu uses mostly the closed development model with practically no input from outside on their design plans.
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2013-02-10
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Originally Posted by mr_pingu
Eeeeehm... KDE hasn't neccesarily be on (K)ubuntu, there are many other distros that use KDE, openSuSe for example. I don't follow your logic, So why isn't KDE getting much attention? KDE != Kubuntu
I was replying to Mike, about Ubuntu ditched KDE and Gnome.
KDE has just made a minor update (actually major improvement).
The frustrating thing about open source solutions, is that they are very slow and sometimes get cancelled midway for nobreason. The good thing is that its actually possible, you get free software: free to use, distribute, to improve.
The fact is the Linux OS are free and the GUI are free, so if people prefer one distribution with one certain GUI... thats their freedom to choose and use it. We cant dictate it. In this field the best isnt tye one that survives, its the one thats most popular. Jus compare maemo5 to Android 2.0
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