Originally Posted by mscion

Whoa! lets not let things get out of control... Perhaps a class on anger management would be helpful. Regardless, I think this thread is salvagable. That this ship can be steered back on course. As a first step I suggest you start a poll on whether a poll should be taken. Hmmm... for some reason that doesn't sound right. Anyways, if the response is positive than go ahead and take another poll on countdown topics. If the response is negative, ignore it and go ahead and take another poll.

Originally Posted by juiceme

There is one thing to consider; when joe-average-off-the-street thinks of "windows" the image is of his poor desktop computer, crashing and unreliable, moody and laggy.
On the other hand, when S. Elop whose background in on the enterprise side of the company thinks of "windows" his image is the reliable, well specified and scalable windows server that has no user-installed crap to cripple it...

The images are fairly different, but take guess which one is closer to the mindset of a potential customer looking for a new phone?

Originally Posted by ranbaxy

Nokia CEO 'calls' iPhone embarrassing, throws it away

Originally Posted by Dave999

Agreed. Same here! It's was extremely serious before. Must be Gerbick, AMD, Ranbaxy and possibly danramos who derailed the thread.

Originally Posted by danramos

*cough* Did you say Windows servers are reliable? I know several large corporations who USED to run Windows servers who might disagree with that notion--including the one I currently work at, which is quickly trying to get rid of them as soon as possible and replace them with anything POSIX (with a preference for Linux servers). Considering the incredibly poor reliability I've seen first-hand, I also have to disagree with that portrayal. Elop probably never did any server administration to recognize that, though, so the point is still taken that he doesn't think of the miserably unreliable junk that Windows has come to be to most people--and that perception will continue to follow it to their mobile platforms.

Originally Posted by juiceme

OK, derailing the thread even further... we are running the rocky ground now but whattehehell, let's ride it

So, I am not really in the know-how of the state of windows server administration today. Currently I only work with linux servers and the last time I had anything to do with windows was when NT4 was the state of the art, and back then there were not that many problems.

I actually don't recall ever having had that many SW related problems, all problems that we had were traced back to broken HW and there is no OS that can survive when the HW platform under starts burning chips... Even windows servers work(ed) well when there was no possibility of letting (l)users to install junk on them.

Things may have of course changed since the turn of the millenium