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2013-07-04 , 15:15
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
It is possible the crash was coming with or without Elop. It would be difficult for one person to 'destroy' the company so thoroughly.
I cannot say anything about N9-Harmattan being worse or better than N900-Fremantle. However, I can point out that N9's interface (Swype) was praised to the extent of being copied by BlackBerry (another 'sinking' company).
I agree that Windows Phone is better choice than Android. Not because Microsoft is better than Google, but because Android is already ubiquitous, and Windows Phone is 'exotic'. In other words, supporting Windows Phone allowed Nokia to stand out, which would have been impossible with Android.
However, they were not the only choices available. Tizen, Firefox OS, MeeGo... Nokia simply decided that it needs another company to shoulder the burden of software development and blame for its shortcomings. Do you notice how some people say that Lumia's hardware is excellent, and the faults are in software?
At the same time, Nokia City Lens and Nokia Drive are envy of other platforms. And cinemagraphs are notable. For me, they are eye-candy, unnecessary but respectable for the amount of work needed to make this 'A.I.' suit tastes of majority of the users.
I wouldn't say Jolla members are incompetent. I would say that their vision was so different from expectations of Nokia's managers that they hadn't done much for Nokia. However, after separation they were able to choose their direction themselves. And it seems that the more time they see ahead of themselves due to hardware manufacturers doubting Jolla, the more ideas they solidify into workable concepts.
Yes, it is possible that BlackBerry waited for too long, and introduced nothing new in their latest operating system. It's like browsers: they copy each other, in user interface and functionality, rarely daring to innovate for fear of scaring away their users.
However, I wouldn't say that MeeGo or Maemo are dead. Nemo is young, like a nova, and vague and unshaped like a nebula; there is much potential in it, in Mer in general.
Yet, I can understand how an outsider (first non-Finnish director of Nokia?) decided that in-house code isn't good enough for him. Not that I would ever use Windows Phone... I would rather try to install Mer on Lumia. But for that, I would need to get my hands on Lumia, first. And it can happen only accidentally, since I am not going to deliberately spend effort on getting hardware (even if it is considered good) without software.
Best wishes.
Agree with many points you make. I need something that works, and I have no problem with open concepts or giving people ability to tinker with their devices. Hey, I bought more n900s and N9s than many people combined on this forum. However, when you sell the device, or try to sell it to masses, the basics of it have to work. And they have to work without tweaks, mods, or tears. And they have to work equivalent to your competition, iphone and Android. And they have to be an improvement on your preexisting product (going from N900 to N9). I could not, in my conscience, release a device like N9 to the masses. If I was the software engineer on that project, I would commit suicide or quit, rather than have my name associated with such inferior and overall buggy product. And now, these same coders have formed Jolla. good luck to them. I hope the new freedom will give them appreciation for discipline and good coding. They dont have NOKIA name to hide behind. They will have to be their own men now. That said, there is nothing revolutionary in what they show. There is nothing novel that will make it stand above and beyond competition. Yes, there are few gimmicks of swiping and some nuances on closing windows.......but that is a fine refinement, not a leap like iphone made. Every product since iphone, is pretty much iphone copycat with variations on the theme. As a startup you need something that is way beyond what the big boys are making. I just dont see it. And the average Joe, doesnt care how open it is.
 
Lumiaman
2013-07-04 , 15:17
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Originally Posted by Artyom View Post
This is probably the 8239340493272229459th time Lamiaman saying the same bullsheeeets.
Some of you need repeating, since its so easy to rewrite history.
 
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2013-07-04 , 15:55
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Lamiaman,
So you claim that sailfish is being copied from ios 7?
Ok i have to admit this is a newer bullsheeet than the ones before.
Look no one even cares about your opinions and i'm trying to show you the way out of this forum. Let me be your guide for this.
I may even help you go to wpcentral if you be a good sport.
 
Lumiaman
2013-07-04 , 16:07
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Originally Posted by Artyom View Post
Lamiaman,
So you claim that sailfish is being copied from ios 7?
Ok i have to admit this is a newer bullsheeet than the ones before.
Look no one even cares about your opinions and i'm trying to show you the way out of this forum. Let me be your guide for this.
I may even help you go to wpcentral if you be a good sport.
Fartyom,

Everyone is copying iPhone of 2007. Android began it, WP followed, N9 tried. That is the power of originality.
 
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2013-07-04 , 16:21
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Fartyom,

Everyone is copying iPhone of 2007. Android began it, WP followed, N9 tried. That is the power of originality.
yes if making a touchscreen device is copying then yes. But who told you that iphone was unique? Birds?
btw you claim sailfish is being copied from ios 7 explain that. if not go to wpcentral.
 
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2013-07-04 , 17:15
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Originally Posted by Artyom View Post
This is probably the 8239340493272229459th time Lamiaman saying the same bullsheeeets.
Wow, now that was a well wrote argument. Tell you one thing, look at your avatar, think about it, do what it says!

Fartyom,

Everyone is copying iPhone of 2007. Android began it, WP followed, N9 tried. That is the power of originality.
Sorry to inform you but iOS is the one that "copies". The first smartphone device was in the early 2000's by Palm, and then Microsoft continued with the well known Windows Mobile. Apple didn't do anything new, but they offer quite good services and very good hardware (never owned an Iphone, but had some IPods - just the music ones not the one with internet and stuff, and they are awesome).

Fartyom
Stop changing the subject from the phones to OS and viceversa, you are making a fool out of yourself!

P.S. Leave this thread alone. Come here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90604
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2013-07-04 , 17:29
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Elop wins an award because his achievement is...

 
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2013-07-04 , 18:43
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
It is possible the crash was coming with or without Elop.
Provide some concrete evidence please. Symbian sales were growing right up until Elop's 'burning platforms' memo. Where is the evidence NOKIA were facing this level of meltdown without Elop's intervention?


Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
It would be difficult for one person to 'destroy' the company so thoroughly.
The most likely outcome of exclusively adopting an OS that's already a proven failure is failure, don't you agree?


Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
I agree that Windows Phone is better choice than Android. Not because Microsoft is better than Google, but because Android is already ubiquitous, and Windows Phone is 'exotic'. In other words, supporting Windows Phone allowed Nokia to stand out, which would have been impossible with Android.
I'd say that's the complete opposite of reality, Google allows manufacturer customisations, Microsoft does not. Other manufacturers had already made Windows Phones, the reason they weren't 'ubiquitous' was because the market had already spoken.

Whose Windows Phones 'stand out' to you?
 
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2013-07-04 , 18:53
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The first smartphone device was in the early 2000's by Palm
NOKIA Communicator, 1999.
 
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2013-07-04 , 18:55
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
NOKIA Communicator, 1999.
Yes, I am sorry, I forgot to mention, first smartphone with touchscreen . That was the point of arguing, that everybody copied Iphone for the design (meaning a uni-body touchscreen phone).

I'd say that's the complete opposite of reality, Google allows manufacturer customisations, Microsoft does not. Other manufacturers had already made Windows Phones, the reason they weren't 'ubiquitous' was because the market had already spoken.
Most of the time time those customizations screwed up the whole Android experience. The only phones with true Android experience are the Nexus'es. The rest have somewhat of android, but uglier and slower just because those customizations. Windows provides the same clean experience on every device, experience that Android users gets only by rooting and flashing a custom Nexus port . I had the Galaxy S, and the stock firmware is crap, why, because samsung stuck it's nose in it and added useless stuff just to call that phone A SAMSUNG not a Google Phone by Samsung.
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