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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
It wasn't 'on the radar' or an 'idea' it existed in the real world long before Apple or Google began participating.
Nobody argues that this wasnt on other people's radar. Ideas are like assssholes, everyone has one. Its who delivers first that wins. And although iphone came out in 2007, you can bet that they were working on it since 2003.
NTT DoCoMo's app store predated Apple's by nearly a decade.
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2013-08-05
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
So why did apple wildly succeed where your Symbian failed? According to you Symbian was so advanced that it made people's brains hurt on how advanced it was
It wasn't 'on the radar' or an 'idea' it existed in the real world long before Apple or Google began participating.
NTT DoCoMo's app store predated Apple's by nearly a decade.
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2013-08-05
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@Gerbick
Perhaps the difference is that you think of "desktop" as a device.
I think of "desktop" as a set of requirements.
Rgds
Perhaps the difference is that you think of "desktop" as a device.
I think of "desktop" as a set of requirements.
Rgds
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2013-08-05
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Originally Posted by uTMY
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
@Gerbick
Perhaps the difference is that you think of "desktop" as a device.
I think of "desktop" as a set of requirements.
Rgds
Until I can use Photoshop, Illustrator and other pro-level spec software on my phone and not watered down versions that miss the UI/UX necessary to facilitate the aforementioned work, it's not a desktop to me.
Just about any device can do terminal. I have demands way past that... (see above)
And it's not just Photoshop. I'm sure you'll list out a bunch of native Linux apps, Vi editor/VIM, GCC compiler, Apache, SSH or something like. Be honest man, a $25 Raspberry Pi can do that. And it's not exactly a desktop replacement yet either.
I'm a designer. I'm also a developer. I'm also an admin. Above all, I have certain apps that need to be there. And I have UI needs that need to be refined to start to allow my cellphone to replace a desktop. It ain't there yet.
And that's what you seem to be missing. Your attempt to define a cellphone as a desktop replacement needs to be expanded. So share, exactly how a cellphone replaces a desktop.
Last edited by gerbick; 2013-08-05 at 02:13.
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2013-08-05
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
Symbian outsold iPhone in every single quarter ever right up until it was sabotaged, NOKIA were profitable and growing up until then too despite shipping lots of fugly, low spec hardware. iPhone has never come close to enjoying the domination Symbian did, that void has been filled by Android.
So why did apple wildly succeed where your Symbian failed? According to you Symbian was so advanced that it made people's brains hurt on how advanced it was
If you want to see what failure looks like right now it's covered in primary coloured squares. It's so toxic it even taints the excellent hardware NOKIA produces these days.
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2013-08-05
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@Gerbick
And I think you have just made my point, you have reverted to a set of requirements that mandate functionality found in a traditional desktop.
And in your case specifically a Windows desktop, that is your choice.
I use a Linux toolchain to achieve the same, Gimp, Inkscape etc.
The fact that your specific requirements however prevent you personally from using smartphone or tablet as your primary computing device does not negate the fact that many people now days can and do dispense with standard desktops (or laptops).
If your use case was limited to just facebook and shopping for instance then you would have no need of mouse, keyboard etc. and in these cases the users new desktop becomes the smartphone or tablet for all intents and purposes.
It is just a different shape of computing device (desktop purpose by old standards) and the majority of smartphones run Linux.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-05 at 10:06.
And I think you have just made my point, you have reverted to a set of requirements that mandate functionality found in a traditional desktop.
And in your case specifically a Windows desktop, that is your choice.
I use a Linux toolchain to achieve the same, Gimp, Inkscape etc.
The fact that your specific requirements however prevent you personally from using smartphone or tablet as your primary computing device does not negate the fact that many people now days can and do dispense with standard desktops (or laptops).
If your use case was limited to just facebook and shopping for instance then you would have no need of mouse, keyboard etc. and in these cases the users new desktop becomes the smartphone or tablet for all intents and purposes.
It is just a different shape of computing device (desktop purpose by old standards) and the majority of smartphones run Linux.
rgds
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2013-08-05
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
You are again missing the point. Symbian was a dead man walking. They should of cleaned that dinosaur by 2010 when it was clear that N8 and n900 can not compete, except perhaps in third world. Everyone was dropping Symbian and adopting modernity. You sound like a Brit still dreaming if empires.
Symbian outsold iPhone in every single quarter ever right up until it was sabotaged, NOKIA were profitable and growing up until then too despite shipping lots of fugly, low spec hardware. iPhone has never come close to enjoying the domination Symbian did, that void has been filled by Android.
If you want to see what failure looks like right now it's covered in primary coloured squares. It's so toxic it even taints the excellent hardware NOKIA produces these days.
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2013-08-05
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@Lumiaman
Actually I agree with Switch, dead men walking simply don't outsell competitors.
However it was also clear that others like Apple and newcomer Android were progressing.
If Nokia had really wanted to distinguish itself it should have created a fully open stack to compete with Android and then built cross development tooling and frameworks to bring over the Symbian developers in a graceful migration.
Burning Symbian over night and then just expecting everyone to follow Windows like sheeples was just plain madness, no one wants Windows on their phones after 2 decades of Windows on their desktops except a small minority.
As I already said though that strategy has been and gone, Nokias only chance now is to create 100% fully open hardware and hope the world will forgive their recent utter disaster and that others will be willing and able to create new and viable phones such as Jolla, FirefoxOS, Android, YukBuntu etc.
ie, let the market decide what it wants rather than trying to forcefeed Windows onto the masses.
rgds
Last edited by uTMY; 2013-08-05 at 12:46.
Actually I agree with Switch, dead men walking simply don't outsell competitors.
However it was also clear that others like Apple and newcomer Android were progressing.
If Nokia had really wanted to distinguish itself it should have created a fully open stack to compete with Android and then built cross development tooling and frameworks to bring over the Symbian developers in a graceful migration.
Burning Symbian over night and then just expecting everyone to follow Windows like sheeples was just plain madness, no one wants Windows on their phones after 2 decades of Windows on their desktops except a small minority.
As I already said though that strategy has been and gone, Nokias only chance now is to create 100% fully open hardware and hope the world will forgive their recent utter disaster and that others will be willing and able to create new and viable phones such as Jolla, FirefoxOS, Android, YukBuntu etc.
ie, let the market decide what it wants rather than trying to forcefeed Windows onto the masses.
rgds
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2013-08-05
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Originally Posted by uTMY
********. You have no point, you've not defined anything; I'm defining very specific uses that support what a desktop does for me. I'm being intentionally myopic meanwhile you're being intentionally vague.
@Gerbick
And I think you have just made my point, you have reverted to a set of requirements that mandate functionality found in a traditional desktop.
Define your point or you seriously have proven you have no point whatsoever.
And in your case specifically a Windows desktop, that is your choice.
I use a Linux toolchain to achieve the same, Gimp, Inkscape etc.
The fact that your specific requirements however prevent you personally from using smartphone or tablet as your primary computing device does not negate the fact that many people now days can and do dispense with standard desktops (or laptops).
You truly fail (willingly or not, I've yet to decide) to see that a cellphone is not a desktop replacement based on the simple fact that it cannot as os yet do what a desktop presently does. So what needs to happen? A new user paradigm, a new user interface, something that just doesn't exist yet. A seamless, thought out way to make that little thing in your pocket (the phone) into something that can do all of what a desktop of any OS flavor can do without having to compromise its use as a cellphone. Easy Debian doesn't make your phone into a computer. It installs a desktop OS that uses desktop UI/UX on a much smaller screen and thusly it's not optimized.
I'm speaking of doing something new. You're the one stuck in old cycles. Time to upgrade, do something new.
If your use case was limited to just facebook and shopping for instance then you would have no need of mouse, keyboard etc. and in these cases the users new desktop becomes the smartphone or tablet for all intents and purposes.
It is just a different shape of computing device (desktop purpose by old standards) and the majority of smartphones run Linux
Same thing needs to happen on the cellphone front. It's not that hard to comprehend.
And finally... a cellphone != a desktop. No friggin' way. You've chosen a random stance on something that really isn't presently true at all. And slapping Linux on a phone doesn't make it a desktop.
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