Originally Posted by uTMY

The funny thing is, Lumiaman is not even a very good astroturfer or shill.

He always copies in the comments from others debunking his hogwash in their entirety, so the true facts always get repeated at his expense.

He knows he has no answer to the actual points once debunked with evidence.

He always leaves the true facts unanswered resorting to childish tangental outpourings clearly demonstrating he doesn't actually believe the drivel he spouts.

rgds

ps. Calling someone a hater, doesn't make it so, hating something inanimate makes no sense as anyone with intelligence would know.

I also couldn't care less what you think, I only care about countering the disinformation and falsehoods you try to spread in this Maemo forum with facts and evidence.

Clearly you are blessed with a short memory, let me repeat myself one more time for you, the longer I can keep you drivelling in this thread, the less harm you can do anywhere else and we all get to have a good laugh at your expense.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Ok. Mr Ignoree, even Finnish people are telling you what happened (see above post) few pages back, and you still believe Tomi A delusional bulll. Symbian was dead and NOKIA knew they had to kill it. Elop did kill Meego and Maemo because the team couldnt deliver worthy software. They were too slow, dysfunctional, and unable to deliver. So he cut them loose. Every CEO would do that to a losing proposition. But what is there to talk to you about. You still dont understand the business of selling devices. You still confuse open and close. And you still hang around here. Just put me back on ignore. Oh wait, you live in Third World and you missed the revolution..........

Originally Posted by uTMY

Lumiaman outed as paid Microsoft Astroturfer?

A Shill?

http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/

The glove fits, reusing earlier quotes as facts, reusing non factual posts from other sites as evidence, slipping in statements as if they are facts based on no evidence and then re using them later as evidence, infiltrating developer social networks, Microsoft has even astroturfed using identities of dead people, they are without shame.

Microsoft were undeniably sleazy and apparently nothing has changed if Lumiaman is anything to go by.

Just saying

rgds

Originally Posted by uTMY

Interesting isn't it that Lumiaman keep repeating the same mantra and then is deliberately rude to try to get a rise, typical of an Astroturfer and to feed his ego.

SInce Microsoft started copycating IOS with their attempt at a closed ecosystem, Lumiaman consistently states that is it Android doing the copying even though this has been debunked many times in earlier posts.

Since Elop literally destroyed Symbian and all the great ideas Nokia was exploring such as QT and Maemo, Lumiaman consistently tries to rewrite history by making statements that it was not Elop who destroyed this as if they were facts, no doubt to be regurgitated later, strangely reminiscent of a paid Shill.

Notice also the constant repetition as if this will make it more true, this delusional behaviour is either genuine or someone is paying for it to be continued deliberately. Again typical of a paid Astroturfer.

I am sure that no one wants to "get with your program" Lumiaman and you have been asked many times before to stop being rude, it is offensive.

Please don't.

rgds

Originally Posted by danramos

Interesting, sad and unsurprising for Microsoft--and Lumiaman. As I skim the posts to catch up, I keep wondering to myself WHY people are still bothering to reply to him? He's clearly full of sh**, doesn't really post anything interesting or productive to the board, often makes personal attacks and flame-baits for attacks himself and continues to steer the posts evermore off-topic. After a while, it becomes boring or too exhausting to bother to even pretend to have an interest or caring anymore--much like all the fu**s we give for Windows Phones themselves. :P On rare occasion he has contributed something interesting, thoughtworthy or informative, but MAN that's rare--really rare.

I wouldn't doubt that you're right about him being a Microsoft shill, from the way he carries on, except for that hilarious fiasco where someone here from Nokia very nearly recruited him as an evangelist and then very, very carefully and briskly backed off from that after realizing he would do more harm than good to the brand.

But seriously, and this is true for ANYBODY (not just him): if you want to ignore him or get more people contributing to the topic, when you read his stuff and you know everybody else can see it's hilarious on its face, let it just stand on its own without a reply. Definitely don't reply to the flame-baiting stuff. It's getting tiring and this IS supposed to be the Nokia stocks thread, not a pissing contest.

Originally Posted by uTMY

My point about Lumiaman as a shill or astroturfer is clearly demonstrated in that last comment, true to type.

He mentions a post earlier with no reference, links, evidence or facts which is immediately debunked with verifiable statements.

He responded dragging TomiA in tangentially and irrelevantly to the points of the comment as a statement with no evidence or facts and is therefore meaningless, a childish attempt to misdirect maybe? how stupid.

Adds childish insults that have no bearing on the comments and are not based on any intelligent consideration, especially since there are parts of the USA that rival the worst conditions of any third world country, not that I have ever visited one.

Nokia announced closure of Symbian after Elop joined, evidence presented previously.

Still banging the same drum and ignoring evidence to the contrary is classic sign of delusion and stupidity.

Whilst I might accept that discussions around the possibility of replacing Symbian in a large company like Nokia may well have happened over a longer period, the axe wielder was Elop, the ongoing failure of the future strategy is Elop, the burning memo that sunk Symbian was all Elop, the near instant crash in stock price, the worlds fastest crash ever seen by a world leading company, was all Elop.

rgds

ps. I will put you on ignore when I choose not when you direct.

I am not interested in your thoughts as I have already stated please take that onboard, only your misstatements and falsehoods, which is the sign of a dishonest person and all I am trying to do now is decide whether this is deliberate or you really are that blind.