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2013-12-04 , 06:02
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#91
Originally Posted by nokiabot View Post
theres always 100+ people viewing the sailfish section most of the time i noticed
Personally, in my travels on the internetz I've been regularly referring people to TMO*, since I've seen lots more folks asking Jolla/Sailfish-related questions.

*I rarely see major tech sites doing that
 

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2013-12-04 , 07:54
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Personally, in my travels on the internetz I've been regularly referring people to TMO*, since I've seen lots more folks asking Jolla/Sailfish-related questions. *I rarely see major tech sites doing that
yeah good i think i also diverted a handful
 

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2013-12-05 , 19:15
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#93
Originally Posted by kinggo View Post
I just hope that they won't ignore this place and this community because for now and in near future the most customers/buyers are/will be from this place or are people that were somehow related to to maemo and now they get interested in product made by someone who once made something that they used and liked.
The only fact that I am reading and replying (compatibly with my job/life/family duties) should speak for itself.
 

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2013-12-05 , 19:21
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#94
Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
Some tried. Mozilla and KDE for example. And not only their code is fully open, their development is open too. Which is remarkable.
Mozilla is a 7 yrs old corp and started to do a commercial product a year ago or so.

I don't know if KDE has ever done a commercial product, at least I am not aware of.

We are talking about stories and companies which are a bit different than Jolla.

Jolla's main goal has been to deliver a device to the market based on Sailfish OS so we have put all the efforts there and of course we had to compromise somewhere.

In a perfect world with infinite resources everything is possible.

And this world is far from perfect.
 

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2013-12-05 , 19:24
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#95
Lol anyone seen Marc Dillion's sailfish tattoo behind his ear...anyone hiving a TMO tattoo?
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2013-12-05 , 19:30
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#96
Originally Posted by stezz View Post
The only fact that I am reading and replying (compatibly with my job/life/family duties) should speak for itself.
It does, indeed. From the number of active members from Jolla staff it turns out that ~5% of company is active here. And in very constructive way. Which is great. Definitely much better than before device was lauched.
 

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2013-12-05 , 19:35
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I was going to reply about that comparison too, just didn't have that time yesterday.

. I think it's unfair to compare the values of some foundations (or Community Interest Companies) with those of a company. There's a huge difference. Foundations have alot more leeway, they can be alot more ideological. They don't have the same primary goals than companies: to create profits for their shareholders. They are not held responsible to some third parties that absolute demand for their investment for you to pay off.

I think I'm going to post the other part of my post later, I have a lot in mind about this subject. Actually I think this discussion is fascinating and raises a lot of thoughts.
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2013-12-05 , 19:35
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#98
Originally Posted by stezz View Post
Mozilla is a 7 yrs old corp and started to do a commercial product a year ago or so.

I don't know if KDE has ever done a commercial product, at least I am not aware of.

We are talking about stories and companies which are a bit different than Jolla.
KDE are working on a product (Vivaldi tablet): http://rhombus-tech.net/community_id...e_tablet/news/
And they just launched the Improv development board: https://makeplaylive.com (see also https://makeplaylive.com/#/who-we-are/our-commitments ).
The tablet doesn't move fast for them, but not because they have open development or their code is open. It's just a lot of work. Openness doesn't hinder their progress.

While stories are somewhat different, resources seem rather comparable.

Originally Posted by Thoke View Post
I think it's unfair to compare the values of some foundations (or Community Interest Companies) with those of a company. There's a huge difference. Foundations have alot more leeway, they can be alot more ideological. They don't have the same primary goals than companies: to create profits for their shareholders. They are not held responsible to some third parties that absolute demand for their investment for you to pay off.
Some baseline comparison can be made still. If they don't cover their expenses and can't sustain the development, nothing would work out, whether it's a community interest company or not. So we should assume, that they all plan to be sustainable. How this translates into openness of code and development is a different question.
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2013-12-05 , 21:50
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Originally Posted by kinggo View Post
It does, indeed. From the number of active members from Jolla staff it turns out that ~5% of company is active here. And in very constructive way. Which is great. Definitely much better than before device was lauched.
It's hard to be active when you don't have anything of substance to talk about (yet)
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Originally Posted by w00t View Post
It's hard to be active when you don't have anything of substance to talk about (yet)
Wrong you can talk about anything before. Community are built around something like a device or brand. But things like "how many cups of coffee did you drink during your workday today" makes the community great. Please share...

I love speculations. My guess: 4
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