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aegis	2014-11-19 , 19:04
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"Infraport works every time"

I'm pretty sure you'll get some weird looks from iPhone users if you asked them if you could squirt your vcard at them.

Then again, Bluetooth doesn't work either.

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	Morpog	2014-11-19 , 19:15
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I just asked stskeeps a few more questions about GPU drivers on IRC. Not sure if that makes you guys happy.....

http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jo...11-19.log.html

From 19:06 on

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aegis	2014-11-19 , 19:21
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

So, if I'm reading this right, you have only two devices total that you control remotely.

Hifi is a Marantz MCR-603. It has Airplay. It links to a Mac on the network. It has a CD player in it that I've used maybe a dozen times. It includes internet radio as well as FM (I never listen to FM).

TV is a Sony Bravia. No idea which model but it has built in DLNA, Amazon Prime, BBC iPlayer, YouTube. about 3 years old I think.

VCR went a decade ago if not more.

CD player went about a decade ago.

DVD went about 3 years ago. Movies are all streamed now. Mostly Amazon Prime or Sony's store.

So, yep - pretty much two boxes. I've no other TVs, radios etc.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

For this situation, I would agree with you, the wifi app will give you much greater depth of control than a simple IR controller ever could. (Or should I say apps? It sounds like you've got a plethora of apps here, one for the TV and several others for the hifi.)

What I meant was I have a *choice* of apps. There's no shortage of remote control apps be they Airplay or DLNA.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

But I've gotta wonder if this will scale up well. In my house, I've got three different TVs, two DVD players, a VCR, and a couple of Mac Minis, all of which I'm controlling via Pierogi. (Granted, I haven't used the VCR in years...) I suspect that many households have even more devices, many of which are not wifi-controllable. And even if every device can be controlled by wifi, having to wade through a dozen different apps will probably get as frustrating as having to manage a dozen different IR remote controls...

Possibly but we've one TV, in the living room and one hifi serving two rooms. TVs in bedrooms are not my thing. It always amazes me when I go around to my sisters and she has an AppleTV, Sky remote, TV remote, DVD and whatever yet I'm the techie one in the family. ;-)

I prefer my tech hidden.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Well, yeah, IR does have the limitation that it can't pass through walls. But I should note that the N900 has a fairly weak IR LED; I've recently been working on a port of Pierogi to the HTC One phone, and it gets at least 2-3 times the range of my N900s. So, the range of a phone or tablet IR isn't necessarily as limited as you might think.

Maybe but it's days are surely numbered when you can start watching something on your phone at work, continue on a tablet on the train home and then finish watching on your TV.

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shmerl	2014-11-19 , 19:35
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http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jo...11-19T19:12:27

if somebody is looking for a tablet to run glorious mesa-wayland-kms on it and assuming a production experience, this is probably not it..

Is he saying that Intel drivers aren't accelerated? Or I'm missing something? As far as I know, on the desktop they have hardware acceleration just fine. And it sounds like they are planning to use this Android junk again. Grrr....

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sandy_locke	2014-11-19 , 19:35
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Originally Posted by Rauha

The whole "First one" aspect of it.

-They sent them almost randomly, no matter how early or late people had ordered them.

-had reserved far too little resources for shipping in general

-Weren't open about these distribution problems until there was a huge out cry among the supporters.

-Run out of the pre-order exclusive Other Halfs.

EDIT:

-Charged EU VAT from orders outside EU(Swiss&Norway)

-Their whole tech support & warranty issues were FUBAR for months

Thats just quickly from memory. There are about million cry and whine posts on this forum about the problems from around November - December 2013.

Do you realize that companies lile Apple do the same things (iphone 5s ?) and nobody cries about it ? At least Jolla is here (now) to listen to the crowd, while you have to wait for big companies to answer share holders agenda that may or may not suit your expectations, which nobody (there) cares about...

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	wicket	2014-11-19 , 19:46
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Originally Posted by Morpog

I just asked stskeeps a few more questions about GPU drivers on IRC. Not sure if that makes you guys happy.....

http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jo...11-19.log.html

From 19:06 on

I'm not familiar with Android terminology so I wasn't able to make a lot of sense out of Stskeeps' response. I assume it relates to Sailfish usage. Anyone care to translate?

I'm not very interested in Sailfish and am mostly interested in the possibility of being able to fully utilise the hardware for running Debian (see my sig for my N900 project).

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MartinK	2014-11-19 , 19:47
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Originally Posted by Morpog

I just asked stskeeps a few more questions about GPU drivers on IRC. Not sure if that makes you guys happy.....

http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jo...11-19.log.html

From 19:06 on

Thanks!

Still, hopefully it still means it has an Intel GPU - even if Sailfish might not use an open driver due to needs of Alien Dalvik support (also speculation at the moment). But other distros, such as Nemo mobile, don't have such limitation.

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MartinK	2014-11-19 , 19:49
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Originally Posted by wicket

I'm not very interested in Sailfish and am mostly interested in the possibility of being able to fully utilise the hardware for running Debian (see my sig for my N900 project).

And you are not the only one.

There are people trying to get Fedora to run on tablets:
https://www.happyassassin.net/category/fedlet/
And I suppose there are also such initiatives for other distros.

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shmerl	2014-11-19 , 19:51
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Originally Posted by wicket

I'm not familiar with Android terminology so I wasn't able to make a lot of sense out of Stskeeps' response

He said this:

Morpog_PC: understandable, but they also have to remember that if you say A) hwcomposer then you need to say B) gralloc and C) android libegl

Which means, you need hardware acceleration for the compositor, and for that they'll use Android GPU EGL driver with libhyrbris to run Wayland.

And he said:

f somebody is looking for a tablet to run glorious mesa-wayland-kms on it and assuming a production experience, this is probably not it..

All the above sounds like he claims that Intel's kernel driver for their GPU isn't accelerated. I don't get it, since it should be accelerated. So it's really confusing. The bad news - their release will use Android junk blobs for the GPU. Unless they aren't blobs (since it's Intel) and Android EGL driver from Intel is open. I have no clue about it.

This needs clarification really. I'll try to reach Stskeeps on the IRC.

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shmerl	2014-11-19 , 19:55
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Originally Posted by MartinK

Thanks!

Still, hopefully it still means it has an Intel GPU - even if Sailfish might not use an open driver due to needs of Alien Dalvik support (also speculation at the moment). But other distros, such as Nemo mobile, don't have such limitation.

What about those who don't need Alien Dalvik and any of the Android stuff? May be they can use Sailfish with open drivers too then.

Unless there are some other components which require Android blobs. WiFi or etc.? If it's all Intel, there is a chance all drivers will be open (besides firmware).