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2014-11-23 , 20:47
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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
Patents are the main reason.
I am not convinced. IMO the main reason is that their devices simply do not work in the US and the patents, although a valid point on thier own right, are a convenient excuse.

It would not be the first or the last time some lame argument was given to justify one of their shotcomings. The inability to implement a call recorder was a prime example. Until it was eventually implemented, not having one was supposed to be a "security feature".
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2014-11-23 , 21:08
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On patents a lot of those I would guess would also apply to the tablet which is shipping to the US and Canada.
 

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2014-11-23 , 21:16
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#583
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
I am not convinced. IMO the main reason is that their devices simply do not work in the US.
That's in reverse. Their devices don't work in US because they didn't care to make those which work. And the reason is they didn't want to enter the market because of patents.

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On patents a lot of those I would guess would also apply to the tablet which is shipping to the US and Canada.
That's a good point. So let's see how Jolla will comment on this one.
 

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2014-11-23 , 21:17
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#584
Originally Posted by salyavin View Post
On patents a lot of those I would guess would also apply to the tablet which is shipping to the US and Canada.
That is probably true, but one must ask Jolla for the reason (I'm not making it up).

Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
This is a lame excuse, since Jolla are selling their devices independently anyway, so providers are completely irrelevant. Patents are the main reason. And, in US people do buy a lot of devices independently of providers these days.
In my opinion, each of these reasons makes a half of the decision - the provider argument does not apply to the tablet to such extent as to the phone, so that may be the reason to risk it. Don't forget that opening new market is not that easy - you need to secure warranty repairs which may be costly if there's not enough buyers.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the US (quite the opposite as I have spent a good amount of time there). I know the situation with service providers is slowly changing, but it is still very different from Europe. For example, I don't know anyone (!) around me (not a small circle) who would have a cell phone from his/her service provider. Service providers do offer cell phones, but it is just not the habit for most of their customers to buy it from them.

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Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
...since Jolla are selling their devices independently anyway, so providers are completely irrelevant.
You're missing the point. That is the reason. They are mostly (not completely) irrelevant in Europe (and possibly other markets) but not in the US, since the situation is still very much different over there.
 
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2014-11-23 , 21:21
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Originally Posted by nodevel View Post
I know the situation with service providers is slowly changing, but it is still very different from Europe. For example, I don't know anyone (!) around me (not a small circle) who would have a cell phone from his/her service provider. Service providers do offer cell phones, but it is just not the habit for most of their customers to buy it from them.
I'd say not so slowly. A few factors affected this. First, LTE is becoming dominant very fast and CDMA is falling behind. Second, T-Mobile ditched device subsidies. And the last factor are universal LTE modems. More and more people just buy generic device on Amazon for instance and then just chose provider. So situation is now is very different than let's say two years ago.
 
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2014-11-23 , 21:33
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So situation is now is very different than let's say two years ago.
Glad to hear that, thanks for the info. Two years ago seems like the time when the modem in Jolla was decided, though (it was announced, with the current specification, exactly 18 months ago).

EDIT:
Here is a relevant post from Stefano Mosconi, regarding the tablet GSM/LTE situation that sheds some light on the issue.
 

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2014-11-23 , 21:37
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Originally Posted by nodevel View Post
Here is a relevant post from Stefano Mosconi, regarding the tablet GSM/LTE situation that sheds some light on the issue.
Yeah, for tablets it's less necessary altogether. But for their next handset it's a must for them to use a universal LTE modem. If they won't, it will be a major failure.

Note sure why he writes:

More variants or less countries we can serve
When there are things like this:
http://www.intel.com/newsroom/kits/m..._factsheet.pdf
http://ark.intel.com/products/66648/Intel-XMM-7260

No need to make any variants with this one. Certification is of course needed.
 

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2014-11-24 , 09:59
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#588
I emailed Jolla offering my help in translating the Sailfish UI to Dutch so it can be added to the supported languages.

They replied that because of the huge amount of offers they received from the community regarding at least this topic they plan to provide tools so the community can assist them.

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Originally Posted by nodevel View Post
EDIT:

Here is a relevant post from Stefano Mosconi, regarding the tablet GSM/LTE situation that sheds some light on the issue.
What I see from this statement is that more importantly Jolla is still a small company and they do their stuffs one step at a time (it was also a statement of Mark Dillon at the Slush conference). If they did sell in all countries (US included which is not a small one = lot more people) and added full features to their devices (like cell modem on the Tablet), they would not be able to cope with demands and support needed for customer service.

This is really the main reason IMHO since they seem already overwhelmed with what they already have on market. Just give'em some time and let them expand a bit more before asking them to be the next Apple or Samsung in term of reachability.
 

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My n9 worked fine in the US but Nokia did not sell or support it here. I wish Jolla could have done at least the same. I can understand if they can't support it fully everwhere. That's what the community is for.
 

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