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Originally Posted by coderus
Not true.
@Wikiwide schematics and service manual is not documentation, lol.
And remember please: if phone is not on Android or Linux (Maemo, MeeGo, Tizen) You CAN NOT change built-in OS on it to any other.
Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3
The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.
The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?
HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.
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I vote that Kangal replace Elop!
I'm flattered
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic
An Asha 311 has 128MB of RAM and a slow as ***** processor. It is an impossibility to have it run anything other than Series 40.
Not really true, you could opt for an older flavor of android. In fact, 2.0 has been seen running on the old n95 back in the day.
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
The kernel is no-brainer. Just about the only thing needed to build a working kernel is to know the CPU architecture and rough estimate on the available core memory.
Ok, I can see that there is no existing linux kernel compiled specifically for Asha 311. But what kind of HW documentation would be needed to begin to do such a kernel-or-whatever?..
But this is nearly not enough; I can easily build and boot a kernel for Asha 311, and if it has something resembling an UART then most probably I can launch a serial console (even with no pins existing outside the device, access to pins can be had by opening the case...)
Booting the new kernel is again no problem, with a bit of hacking and breaking the user security with any number of known faults, or in the ultimate case force-feeding the kernel loading via JTAG interface...
The problematic thing is the HW adaptation;
Because the device runs a totally different OS you do not have any useful drivers, binary blobs, knowledge on which registerers to twiddle to make it dance...
- Impossible to have even a text console on the native screen, not to mention any kind of GUI
- no access to wlan, BT, 2G/3G/4G modem
- no access to DSME
- ...nothing really
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Having a locked bootloader is just a hindurance, it is not the main thing that prevents porting an OS to a device.
I do not know anything about compiling operating system for a different hardware. I just heard that the reason for BB devices to not-run an alternative operating system is locked boot-loader - that's why that was my first question.
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Now I wonder where did the HW adaptation pop up, hmm?
Not true.
Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3
The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.
The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?
HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.
Might be something to do with the fact that in each case there was leaked information from manufacturer or employees who had developed the HW in the first place
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2015-02-23
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Thank you all for your replies and the discussion you got going, it's very helpful and informative. I'm glad I'm part of this active community.
According to Wikipedia it has 1GHz ARM 11 and it doesn't have 4G modem.
I strongly suspect it runs a highly stripped version of MeeGo. On Microsoft's meddling, it has been made hard to use, so that customers are goaded/cajoled to buy their higher priced mobile phones.
My previous phone N73 had much less hardware and it still has lot more convenient features.
Last edited by nirasha_user; 2015-02-23 at 15:50.
According to Wikipedia it has 1GHz ARM 11 and it doesn't have 4G modem.
I strongly suspect it runs a highly stripped version of MeeGo. On Microsoft's meddling, it has been made hard to use, so that customers are goaded/cajoled to buy their higher priced mobile phones.
My previous phone N73 had much less hardware and it still has lot more convenient features.
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by nirasha_user
I'm afraid you're mistaken. The Asha phones run Symbian Series 40. The 311 has a touch opptimized UI but at its core it's old S40. Microsoft didn't have much involvement with Asha at the time the 311 was released.
I strongly suspect it runs a highly stripped version of MeeGo. On Microsoft's meddling, it has been made hard to use, so that customers are goaded/cajoled to buy their higher priced mobile phones.
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by kapu2
That's wrong, they sent that IDIOT Stephen Elop who managed to sabotage it so that people will upgrade to Lumia.
I'm afraid you're mistaken. The Asha phones run Symbian Series 40. The 311 has a touch opptimized UI but at its core it's old S40. Microsoft didn't have much involvement with Asha at the time the 311 was released.
There is no way to if it is Symbian, it could be MeeGo and they are calling it S40.
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Originally Posted by Kangal
talking about something you can still buy in market, okay?
Not true.
Bada OS came on the (cheap and, for its time) phenomenal Samsung Wave smartphone. Its got a fully working port of Android. I think it was version 4.0.3
The HP TouchPad also got an Android port.
The O2 XDA TyTN II and TouchPRO got Android ports too. Version 2.1 or was it 2.3 ?
HTC HD2 was the last device and it came with Windows Mobile 6.
It got ports for WebOS. FirefoxOS. Android. MeeGo. Mer. Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu. Windows Phone. Windows RT. Windows 10.
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2015-02-23
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Originally Posted by FlashInTheNight86
I appreciate you well meaning advice but I don't see it as a waste, whatever I'll learn from my struggles on this will deepen my understanding of how computers, etc work.
nirasha_user, Ashas are inferior to smartphones produced 5 years ago, hardware-wise. It's not wise to waste your time on them.
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