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i so far disagree with you. i find 2.0 ui a great improvement compared to 1.0. only thing i really miss is cover swipe,and some details like pull menu always available to delete notifications. for keyboard i find it well done, even if i surely miss a thing: Swype writing mode.
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Originally Posted by pichlo
i agree with u but i guess they have simply
As a former colleague used to say, opinions are like bumholes. Everybody has one. I agree with most of that article except for this bit:
SFOS 2.0 is nothing but a glorified UI change. There are no major changes under the bonet, like e.g. 1.0.7 was with the Qt update. And the only UI change that has anything to do with multitasking is the ability to have more than 9 app covers on the home screen. So, in this regards, 2.0 is getting closer to proper multitasking, not "moving away from it". IOW, I have no idea what you are talking about.
To be honest, I was expecting more from 2.0. Not a different desktop, but a real change. For example, a complete refactoring with the primary focus on resource usage. For example I was expecting OOM disappearing completely or at least getting less frequent, not more.
exagerated with hype about it. now its difficult to make users really happy.
and let me say a thing more: i am not referring to you smokku, but here someone have Just some hate vs jolla. i can understand that promise or some bad behaviour have just left with bitter mouth..but maybe have to deal with the fact they are young and small so we can forgive them for it ( but not forgive facts). they are not and they dont pretend to be perfect. its good that we show dissense for things in order to improve then, we are not groupie, but i guess we just have to see also positive and things that are well done, in order to enjoy this community experience. critics to build something are wellcome, critics to only destroy arent. i am talking about me,of course
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2015-09-15
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Originally Posted by Manatus
Thanks for that. I was not expecting a different behaviour so it did not occur to me to even try.
There is a pulley menu visible when you are in the selection mode. It has (only) option to clear all events on a go.
If they could put one menu item in there, why not two? The one that I miss is "Update". One thing I like about Jolla is that notifications do update (for example, unread emails: if you read/delete new emails on another machine and wait, you will notice the number changing on your Jolla), but it would be nice to be able to trigger it manually rather waiting 30 minutes for the next background update.
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2015-09-15
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I think this update was mostly to have same UI on tablet and phone.
And it always amaze me how people keep telling that after update everything is quicker and faster and smoother and not lagging like ti was before. But...
1)If it smooth on update X and lagging on X-1 update, how the hell when X+1 introduced, suddenly X is lagging one? (this loop is not logical at all)
2)You know that update restarts your phone and as well probably optimize few things(btrfs and so on) so it would work better for sometime as it's kind of "fresh install" =)
As about UX. i see someone compared here to Apple introducing pitch to zoom and as it was not something intuitive. But it was, because it took you 1 second to understand and get used for it. It came naturally and that's what UX about.
And it always amaze me how people keep telling that after update everything is quicker and faster and smoother and not lagging like ti was before. But...
1)If it smooth on update X and lagging on X-1 update, how the hell when X+1 introduced, suddenly X is lagging one? (this loop is not logical at all)
2)You know that update restarts your phone and as well probably optimize few things(btrfs and so on) so it would work better for sometime as it's kind of "fresh install" =)
As about UX. i see someone compared here to Apple introducing pitch to zoom and as it was not something intuitive. But it was, because it took you 1 second to understand and get used for it. It came naturally and that's what UX about.
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2015-09-15
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Same thing happens easily with N9. Also, it can also happen with power button. On my job I occasionally use Samsung XCover 2 (dreadful thing) which has lock code enabled but it goes right to the unlock-screen when woken up. Because of this I have many times almost called to emergency number unintentionally.
You are the second person I hear mentioning this. I never thought this would be even possible, considering how fussy the double-tap unlock is. It usually takes me three to four tries to unlock it when I want to. Hitting just the right timing and all that jazz... And here we go, two members claiming that they managed to achieve such a feat by accident, one of them even multiple times per day. Miracles do happen, apparently.
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2015-09-15
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Originally Posted by ZogG
Intuitive I would call "press blurred out area to cancel or return to previous" on the N900 with Maemo OS.
As about UX. i see someone compared here to Apple introducing pitch to zoom and as it was not something intuitive. But it was, because it took you 1 second to understand and get used for it. It came naturally and that's what UX about.
Nobody needed to tell me that.
For the same reason I am now pressing the blurred out area on Sailfish 2.0 trying to bring up favorites, it would just be logical to find it there but there is nothing.
Pinch to zoom like holding the phone with one hand and using two fingers to zoom in or out: I would call it useful, smart and easy but not intuitive: and I wonder how many people just found this out by themselves as if it were naturally.
Same goes for the swirl to zoom on the N900 (browser only): somebody needed to tell me that but of both learned methods I find the N900 method more intuitive.
Edit: within those apprehended moves you have then intuitive gestures like close fingers to make smaller, open fingers to make bigger. Or swirl clock wise to bring closer (like screw tighter) and swirl counter clock wise to zoom out (loosen the screw).
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2015-09-15
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Well, there are some quite significant changes under the hood, such as switching to GStreamer 1.x and the previous update switched to GCC 4.8 as the default compiler. It could be better (the Qt 5 version is getting more outdated by the day, not to mention other critical OS components) but stuff is definitely moving in the right direction.
SFOS 2.0 is nothing but a glorified UI change. There are no major changes under the bonet, like e.g. 1.0.7 was with the Qt update.
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2015-09-15
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Disagree. Actually they have somewhat disconnected the app covers from the multitasking aspect.
And the only UI change that has anything to do with multitasking is the ability to have more than 9 app covers on the home screen. So, in this regards, 2.0 is getting closer to proper multitasking, not "moving away from it". IOW, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Since 2.0 preview, app covers are finally plenty but at the same time they have been promoted to icon placeholders for closed applications.
Before, as part of the proper multitasking system, those app covers were definitely acting as indicators and control items for running applications.
Originally Posted by pichlo
Same here.
To be honest, I was expecting more from 2.0. Not a different desktop, but a real change. For example, a complete refactoring with the primary focus on resource usage. For example I was expecting OOM disappearing completely or at least getting less frequent, not more.
And my feeling is that the system is less fluent and tolerant to multi tasking. In 2013 it might have been smoke an mirrors tricks but the general impression is that it is now less multitasky.
Even the blocky new remorse timer now commands: you keep watching me for 5 seconds, don't leave yet to another task.
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Originally Posted by ste-phan
Ahh, that. OK, I agree with you there. Annoying but not enough to warrant a RIP, IMO.
Since 2.0 preview, app covers are finally plenty but at the same time they have been promoted to icon placeholders for closed applications.
Before, as part of the proper multitasking system, those app covers were definitely acting as indicators and control items for running applications.
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Here is an old video showing fading effect going from maximized applications to minimized.
I could have watched that all day and would never expect it would be gone in 2015.
1) Seamless swipe: "fade to minimized" - effect -> today not anymore thanks to some added curtain effect
2) Concurrent animation of the fading maximized version and the video on the app cover -> today no more, as soon as you start to swipe to minimize the app, the large, fading version freezes and only the cover plays.
3) Despite those "useless" efects I felt there was less chance any of those 3 streams getting interrupted by OOM as was introduced end of 2014 (a year later) -> today especially the internet radio stream might become paused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTA2a5pOlFc
Now try this again on the 2.0 preview version to compare with the current situation. Boring, isn't it?
Certainly there is a lot to like in 2.0 preview but at the same time Sailfish OS is shacking off its natural cool factor rapidly.
Cover swipe actions going M.I.A. , the irritating remorse timer , cool multi tasking animation effects (nobody cared for?)..
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I could have watched that all day and would never expect it would be gone in 2015.
1) Seamless swipe: "fade to minimized" - effect -> today not anymore thanks to some added curtain effect
2) Concurrent animation of the fading maximized version and the video on the app cover -> today no more, as soon as you start to swipe to minimize the app, the large, fading version freezes and only the cover plays.
3) Despite those "useless" efects I felt there was less chance any of those 3 streams getting interrupted by OOM as was introduced end of 2014 (a year later) -> today especially the internet radio stream might become paused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTA2a5pOlFc
Now try this again on the 2.0 preview version to compare with the current situation. Boring, isn't it?
Certainly there is a lot to like in 2.0 preview but at the same time Sailfish OS is shacking off its natural cool factor rapidly.
Cover swipe actions going M.I.A. , the irritating remorse timer , cool multi tasking animation effects (nobody cared for?)..
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