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2015-11-20
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#1942
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Originally Posted by MartinK
Me too. Which mistakes are you referring to? My view on Jolla is that they've specifically tried to avoid some of the frustrations of Nokia, most significantly the poor amount of PRs we'd get after release. I think the main problem they have is that after witnessing the disintegration of Nokia, people's expectations are just too high. They expect Jolla to be a do-over of Maemo/Meego, when the resources are a tiny fraction.
While many people do engage in nonsensical rants please note that many of us have been there since the N900 and N9 (or even longer!) and it would be pretty stupid to stay silent if you see the same mistakes being repeated for the second (or even a third!) time.
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2015-11-20
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#1943
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
Amen!
Company is not run by community and cannot work like a community
To clarify my position, I never said it was bad. The only thing I said was do not fool yourself that Jolla does as the community pleases. They don't and they can't.
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#1944
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Originally Posted by zenecho
I have a phone that has received more updates than every other phone I've ever owned put together. It owes me nothing.
I have a Jolla phone that I love, that is now probably locked in time.
Originally Posted by zenecho
That is by no means certain, though I've a feeling that this general assumption I'm seeing that Jolla is over is not helping them secure their next round of funding, so that may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have a tablet case for a tablet that Im never going to get
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2015-11-20
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#1945
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Originally Posted by billranton
wow, I never realized my little voice was so powerful! and Im sure any one wishing to fund Jolla, might just notice - even from Jolla themselves - that they have not been able to currently supply tablets.
That is by no means certain, though I've a feeling that this general assumption I'm seeing that Jolla is over is not helping them secure their next round of funding, so that may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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2015-11-20
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2015-11-20
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#1947
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I think their "about Jolla ltd" may need updating a bit 
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2015-11-20
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#1948
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Originally Posted by billranton
Sure, that's definitely an improvement!
Me too. Which mistakes are you referring to? My view on Jolla is that they've specifically tried to avoid some of the frustrations of Nokia, most significantly the poor amount of PRs we'd get after release.
My main gripe is that Sailfish OS should have been fully open source from the start (even in the dual licensed/CLA arrangement proposed on latest community meeting) after all the problems the half open/half closed nature of Fremantle on the N900 and Harmattan on the N9 caused. Would it be enough to avoid the current crisis ? I don't know, but all the closed bits apparently didn't bring any profitable licensing deals and other income either...
And I guess my second gripe is neglected developer ecosystem - it has been like this already for the N900 and N9 and I'm afraid a lot of mistakes are being repeated for the third time - hard to reach & immature store system, limited allowed APIs in store, incomplete or missing documentation, critical issues faced by app developers remaining unfixed, etc. Given that apps are usually the lifeblood of a platform and more or less the reason people are buying smartphones in the first place, I think this is something that needs to be improved or else consequences are dire.
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2015-11-20
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#1949
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Originally Posted by P@t
That, is more important as it might seem actually.
that is more info
http://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/...5_FINAL_61.pdf
but not that much any way
And, even more, the slightest evidence of success (read support from US) IS equally important.
It might just save their future existence. Alsao, it is important steps to ensure getting investors interested.
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2015-11-20
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#1950
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
Well said, sir! Well said!
Company is not run by community and cannot work lie a community, therefore it's not possible to be so community oriented that it pleases all. There have been numerous examples where even our "old guard" have been very quick at labeling certain decisions as mistakes because it has caused something unwanted or taken much resources and time to implement, but at the same time when reasons behind such decisions (like Qt upgrade) are known, it's not that simple. To listen to the feedback is never the same as implementing and doing just about anything some vocal members in the community care to demand - companies have responsibility towards the owners of the company and owners are the ones who ultimately decide if company will ie. open source certain assets or if they are allowed to follow certain strategies. Members of the community usually speak from their point of view, some intentionally disregard the corporate aspect of things. Coming from N900-era community does not mean that every single thing one does not like in way company X does is simply a "mistake". Of course this does not mean they have not made mistakes. The road of Jolla has been riddled with self implied difficulties, misfortunes caused by others (Sailfish would look completely different if NovaThor was not thrown under the bus) and lack of resources aggravates them quite much.
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Company is not run by community and cannot work lie a community, therefore it's not possible to be so community oriented that it pleases all. There have been numerous examples where even our "old guard" have been very quick at labeling certain decisions as mistakes because it has caused something unwanted or taken much resources and time to implement, but at the same time when reasons behind such decisions (like Qt upgrade) are known, it's not that simple. To listen to the feedback is never the same as implementing and doing just about anything some vocal members in the community care to demand - companies have responsibility towards the owners of the company and owners are the ones who ultimately decide if company will ie. open source certain assets or if they are allowed to follow certain strategies. Members of the community usually speak from their point of view, some intentionally disregard the corporate aspect of things. Coming from N900-era community does not mean that every single thing one does not like in way company X does is simply a "mistake". Of course this does not mean they have not made mistakes. The road of Jolla has been riddled with self implied difficulties, misfortunes caused by others (Sailfish would look completely different if NovaThor was not thrown under the bus) and lack of resources aggravates them quite much.