Originally Posted by Dave999

Always nice with an update!

Is it good news or bad news? Can't really tell.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

https://cdn-blog.jolla.com/wp-conten...5/11/Costs.jpg

This image tells you everything you need to know about the folly of the tablet from day one. As several of us said, an Intel platform was likely a dead end as far as any growth or other design wins were concerned, and was a total waste of time and money even if the hardware is heavily subsidised. The cost of porting the OS, AD and hardware adaption made up nearly 60% of the costs. What a titanic waste of time and money for what amounted to a vanity project.

Also I find Saarnio's version of events highly suspect. Main investor pulled out the day after SLUSH, huh, causing this mess? Why was the press release (now taken down) written a month earlier then, Antti? This was clearly happening with or without that investor. Furthermore, I'm sure them pulling out the day after he delivered his speech at SLUSH is no co-incidence. They were probably hoping for signs of life but saw none.

Originally Posted by mikelima

I do not think the graph above proves what you think.

Of course the development effort was not trivial, but it basically is a fixed cost, so if, say, there is a 300eur development cost for each of the 10k tablets preordered/backed, over 100k tablet sales the cost is only 30eur/tablet. Of course, you cannot complete a project like this on a kickstarter campaign only, you need extra fundings to start a business, and you know you will lose money for years before you turn out a profit, if you are lucky.

Also, if Jolla were NOT doing the tablet, they would have probably had to spend the same amount of money in software development, as they still needed to pay their engineers. Improving sailfish for the phone would not have had the same return of investment as doing a new project, and a new phone project would have the same kind of cost, but I doublt they could have offered a compelling offer for a kickstarter campaign. They could have made a phone based on old technology for a premium price, as the fairphone/puzzlephone show.

I doubt I would have spent 400euro for yet another phone when my current genertation Jolla still works fine.

So the tablet stunt made sense; it even got prise and awards at the MWC, which should have landed a few new partners... but apparently it did not land enough partners and the inverstors are getting impatient.

Maybe investors are backing off for real, maybe they are strong-arming jolla, we cannot know. In any case, Jolla is now using extreme and painful measures to keep afloat, and all we can hope is they manage through the hard times.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Yeah you Are right. Nothing that jolla has presented Regarding tablet is what they mean since they have Done completly different things.

Personally I always thought Jolla was trying to build a tablet but was never the case apparently. Completely missed that it's was just a cover for the OS. Stretch goals, Yeah they were all fake as well as the campaign.

Originally Posted by mikelima

And part of the work was useful in general, and we got it back as SailfishOS 2.0 on the phone.

Originally Posted by mikelima

I should know better than to feed the troll but...

I see no evidence they did anything but what was needed to bring the tablet forward. They wanted to invest in that direction, and the backing of the campaign was a way to taste the waters, and see there was demand for it. So they invested in it, adapting the software as needed to make it work on the tablet. And part of the work was useful in general, and we got it back as SailfishOS 2.0 on the phone.

So how were they doing "completely different things"?

The stretch goals were all software features, and too thinly veiled, and they got plenty of criticism during the campaign, but that only means they misjudged who their backers were, and how they could easily see through marketing speech. But I cannot see anything more malicious than that.

Originally Posted by Dave999

They did did all stuff for the tablet yes. IF you consider an unlimited amount of money and time. The project can go on forever. Most project and product have limitations that you as a company have to consider. So in the end they Improve they OS forever and ignore other costs like salaries,paying bills to lastu and probably others, stretch goals, deliver the tablet, correct info, payment process...