Originally Posted by gerbick

Not that much different at all. Launching any device in the US is a tricky endeavor and it has to have the key things that folks want - social media, ease of use, plenty of apps (most go unused after the first week) and a level of popularity that means they can ask their peers questions to resolve their grievances.

I'd love to say that my home market would have made a dent in what's going on with Jolla; but I truly doubt it. The US is a fickle area that only supports currently iOS or Android.

Originally Posted by mscion

I think you make a generally valid point about marketing this device in the US. However, I was thinking, not of the general US public, but just folks like myself that had used the N900 and/or N9 and would have liked to use a related OS. Whether that would be enough people to keep Jolla afloat is not clear. Come to think of it, N9 was not sold by any carrier in US but it at least got 3G. Indeed, about 5 or 6 of us N9 fans had a meet up years ago in Rockville MD. It was really fun. Alas, halcyon days bygone...

Originally Posted by Dave999

US China Russia should scrap 0,001% of their spybudget and throw the money at Jolla and other componies that trying to make a differance in that area. But then again. Jolla managment would **** up the tablet Wasting the money on something else. So maybe its better with some extra spying when I think of it. Pay lastu with the money would be cool though.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Since we're talking whimsical machinations; I'd rather see Intel or Qualcomm pitch to become hardware manufacturers

Originally Posted by gerbick

This is as likely to happen as the NSA to stop listening to your phone calls and filter that money to NASA instead.

Face it, outside of Apple (and arguably Microsoft with the Surface Pro 3 and Surface Pro 4) no company really has shown that a tablet was the way to make money. Nobody really needs a tablet. Good marketing and expanded use cases can show many the way. But a tablet is still a fringe device that's not as necessary as a computer or cellphone (today).

Since we're talking whimsical machinations; I'd rather see Intel or Qualcomm pitch to become hardware manufacturers and assist on the delivery of the tablet and (an updated) phone respectively and get their newer chips into these phones as a way to show how an efficiently written OS can make the world of difference in the mobile sector.

Originally Posted by nieldk

well. They are. Arent they..

Originally Posted by Dave999

Yeah...remove Jolla management, support the dev team with hw and money and rock the boat.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Oh, trust me. I pulled in 37 N9's during it's heyday, half of which did stay in the US but the rest went to Canada or Mexico. My point though is that those numbers of us purists never truly make a dent in anybody's plans else we'd see more devices that addresses our wants and needs as geeks, tinkerers and fans of alternatives...

This forum, the kind that frequent this forum; we just do not count. We never really have unfortunately. Psion, Zaurus, Maemo, MeeGo... we were part of an experiment or incidentally part of the crowd that got a device that we decided to back and in each case it did not live long for those company.

The ideals persist. But we're just not important to these companies. I'd risk to say it's because we're fickle, once we find something we really like, we're quite unlikely to let it go anytime soon (the people in 2015 still using a N900 as their daily phone/mobile computer is quite high in this forum) and that's not a model that screams "Hey, target this bunch of guys. They'll love you, expect the world, criticize the ever living **** out of you, but will not let your device go for years until you've lost interest and/or ways to capitalize on their fandom..."

Yeah. Not sustainable unless they want to be charitable or have embraced meritocracy.

I think we actually agree more than disagree. I just see things from the marketing side as being unable to be fixed, whereas the tech side we're a moving target.

Originally Posted by gerbick

This... makes no sense Dave. Without management, nobody can be there to make sure the projects stay the course or that finances are handled. It's a "necessary evil".

All this lust for a tablet that would invariably upset you because it's lacking some feature that's important to you isn't probably the best way forward. Use your energy better is my advice.

Originally Posted by mscion

My only question now is why did you have to pull and distribute 37 N9's. It sounds like you were distributing contraband. I just ordered mine at mobile city online (based in NYC). Think it was a model originally sold in Singapore...