Not sure you meant those two words. The project(s) around Sailfish scaling up to a x86 based tablet, updating to 2.x and finding an ODM to make the changes to the screen, pertinent components (USB port for instance) for those modifications was done successfully.

The issue you might be alluding to that affected Jolla would be management of the financial risks in their operations. That would be where I'd consider the problem to be; not project management. That's a job of the CFO and not a PM.

The issues are complicated since effectively they are a startup in quite possibly the most exclusive duopoly of Apple iOS or Google Android. All others are fringe offers that only a very minimal amount of application and service coverage. Simply stated, you want other options, they'll be very rough and limited around the edges.

Software is what will drive the hardware. Once your lovely tablet is delivered, wouldn't you want updates or do you want each and every complaint to go unheard because you got your lovely tablet but zero support?

You are willing to gut the heart, soul and necessary organs of a company just to get your product. I'd consider rethinking your strategy. It's too "Elop-ish" - removed the software and OS devs, concentrate on the hardware, risk being irrelevant in under 2 years. Not smart at all.

If you really think about business, stocks and shares now... that's exactly what people are doing now. Should Uber really have a 3+ Billion (yes, BILLION) dollar valuation? Or should something more realistic be set? And if so, why are they spending like they're a billion dollar company but really have no assets? Their valuation allows them that strategy. Startups do not work the same way as corporations for the most part.

I'd suggest more research. They're a different beast; one I truly don't have a full grasp on to be honest myself.

You've not been paying attention to all of the IndieGoGo and Kickstarter failures. Hell, you've not been paying attention to business in general for the last 100+ years or so. Failures happen.

Jury's still out on this one...

Yeah, I could be completely wrong. Let's assume that.

In a discussion of opinions, I'd say that opposing opinions is allowed.

Still do the research Davey boy.

Ahh...som I'm right. I knew it!

What research?

Research into how startups differ from established corporations.

I think it irrelevant for the current discussion. Please point me to where you get your Intel regarding Jolla org and setup.

Different organizations - different setup.

CTO,CFO,PM different kinds. Managers ...lots of different roles. Who cares? Any role within Jolla could have done something different and tablet would have been done and shipped. or it was simple impossible mission and whatever they decided within Jolla, tablet would never reach all the customers. Who knows?

My view is still, no tablet, no Jolla. Let's find the road to the Jolla tablet.

Hope to some invites or compensation this week for some backers.

When does a start up stop being a start up?

When the guys in this Thead say so.

To me its no differance between a startup or what ever comes next. That is how I work.

Any news about december round would be excellent. Money is needed but real time intel is hard to come by.

I'm speaking generally; you want specifics, ask the folks that care about that kind of stuff. I'm not that person.

Agree. Use that knowledge to see where you'd might be wrong.

The people that want their products... people like you.

Quite sure the janitor totally botched the delivery of the tablets.

Some made it out.

Agree.

When they don't require any more external funding and are self-sustaining more than likely. One round of funding derailed Jolla.

I'd consider them a startup, even after all of this time.