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2018-04-19 , 20:55
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"By your belief in granular singularities, you deny all movement - evolutionary or devolutionary. Belief fixes a granular universe and causes that universe to persist. Nothing can be allowed to change because that way your non-moving universe vanishes. But it moves of itself when you do not move. It evolves beyond you and is no longer accessible to you."
Indeed, Herbert is one of my favourites. He has honed to perfection the way to present philosophical ideas in entertaining fiction which is evident in pretty much all his writings, not only in Dune series.
 

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Indeed, Herbert is one of my favourites. He has honed to perfection the way to present philosophical ideas in entertaining fiction which is evident in pretty much all his writings, not only in Dune series.
I find Dune is good up to the fourth (?) book; then it just goes bonkers. Period. But it's awesome up to that point. Especially the spice emperor (my memory is failing me here). Come to think about it, its the opposite of Star Wars. And seeing which destiny Disney has given to it, I definitely like the fact that there's something else out there (aka Dune et co).
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Four+ books? I'm totally behind, I've only read the one Good one it was too. The film they made out of it was a complete rubbish. Just like Space Odyssey.
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Four+ books? I'm totally behind, I've only read the one Good one it was too. The film they made out of it was a complete rubbish. Just like Space Odyssey.
From Frank Herbert there is:

Dune (1965)
Dune Messiah (1969)
Children of Dune (1976)
God Emperor of Dune (1981)
Heretics of Dune (1984)
Chapterhouse: Dune

source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)

So start reading
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Four+ books? I'm totally behind, I've only read the one Good one it was too. The film they made out of it was a complete rubbish. Just like Space Odyssey.
Well the Dune film was directed by David Lynch so it is not your usual cup-of-tea... ever seen Eraserhead?

But honestly I did enjoy it, even though of course it did not live up to the book; when does a film ever do that?
 

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So start reading
No, thanks. The first book was good, but it was written as a one-off, not the first in a series. I would only be disappointed.

The film was OK-ish, or would have been if I had seen it in 1985. Seeing it some 30 years later, I was somewhat less impressed. Too long, poor special effects, too arty-farty, too touchy-feely. I remember the book more to the point. Just like the other book/film pair I mentioned before
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No, thanks. The first book was good, but it was written as a one-off, not the first in a series. I would only be disappointed.
I think I remember reading at least the second book (which is fairly short compared to all the others) was actually supposed to be part of the first, but would have made it too long.
 

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No, thanks. The first book was good, but it was written as a one-off, not the first in a series. I would only be disappointed.

The film was OK-ish, or would have been if I had seen it in 1985. Seeing it some 30 years later, I was somewhat less impressed. Too long, poor special effects, too arty-farty, too touchy-feely. I remember the book more to the point. Just like the other book/film pair I mentioned before
Also, Lynch was forced to quite cut it out, which actually made him quite mad and disliking the work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(film)#Editing . The editing had, on the one hand, made the movie perhaps more accessible, but, on the other, it's a looong and hard book which is (I would guess?) hard to put on the screen, and this doesn't become any easier if you need to remove about an hour compared to your original plan.

Anyways, I guess we will see another try sometime soon https://omegaunderground.com/2018/03...ves-new-movie/ .

PS: oh, I didn't know that Villeneuve will do it in 2 parts, but it does make sense to me.
 

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Oh dear. It seems I may have offended a sentiment or two. But then, I did not like Interstellar either, despite glowing reviews and endorsements
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Oh dear. It seems I may have offended a sentiment or two. But then, I did not like Interstellar either, despite glowing reviews and endorsements
interstellar is the classic "modern" scifi disappointment, in which they construct a fully plausible story and then save the day with a delusional deus ex machina in the end, cause theres no alternative. boring. pity as it was intriguing until (almost) the end.
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