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tortoisedoc	2018-04-25 , 07:20
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Originally Posted by olf

Oh, this seems to be a pretty misunderstanding:
Sure, "Oy", "Ltd.", "GmbH" etc. are similar legal forms in different jurisdictions.

"Jolla Oy" (in Tampere, Finland) and "Jolla Ltd." (Hong Kong) are different legal entities (as you also pointed out, already), but their exact relationship is unclear.

But unfortunately there seems to be no fresh information on the proportions of shares held in "Jolla Oy (FI)" and / or "Jolla Ltd. (HK)" beyond what has been discussed on TJC (see also bullet list in comment to next answer there).

I originally assumed, that your post #115 was not solely about the different names for similar legal forms in different jurisdictions.

First hand info can be found here (warning : in finnish)
Päättäjätiedot is the list of board members / decision makers.

https://www.finder.fi/Matkapuhelimia...tiedot/2640873

if you want more detailed info (and have 5 € to spare) you could download the reports from the finnish chamber of commerce.

BTW on the same website there's no Jolla LTD to be found; i believe then this confirms Oy===LTD (For Finland at least, do not know about HK)

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	nthn	2018-04-25 , 07:56
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Originally Posted by pichlo

The "leave Jolla alone, they are saints, our saviours, who can do nothing wrong" camp has diminished to practically zero.

At least one of those has gone off to work for Jolla in the PR department... In fact, I'd take a guess and say there are probably more of the past Jollapologists working for Jolla now than there are Jolla employees who've stuck with them through the years. I think the major turning point came around the time they lost the godhead Marc Dillon. Now all the big boys are just some extremely dull business people who don't care about any of the ideas behind Sailfish or Jolla (or being 'unlike'), they just want to make money.

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tortoisedoc	2018-04-25 , 13:00
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Originally Posted by nthn

At least one of those has gone off to work for Jolla in the PR department... In fact, I'd take a guess and say there are probably more of the past Jollapologists working for Jolla now than there are Jolla employees who've stuck with them through the years. I think the major turning point came around the time they lost the godhead Marc Dillon. Now all the big boys are just some extremely dull business people who don't care about any of the ideas behind Sailfish or Jolla (or being 'unlike'), they just want to make money.

I beg your pardon, make money? From what? jolla has been on a steady minus since its inception

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	pichlo	2018-04-25 , 13:32
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In all fairness, he did not say they make money. Only that they want to.

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	Dave999	2018-04-25 , 16:29
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc

Actually, less is more

Less tablets are more tablets. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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	nthn	2018-04-25 , 16:42
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc

I beg your pardon, make money? From what? jolla has been on a steady minus since its inception

I indeed only meant to say that the new people in charge are no longer the charismatic types who come to community meetings and genuinely (seem to) care, instead they're typical talking heads only interested in making money, no matter how. Hard to cheer for big business (or at least harder, anyway).

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Pim	2018-04-25 , 18:05
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Originally Posted by nthn

Hard to cheer for big business (or at least harder, anyway).

Today, they're the only non-IOS/non-Android OS that's still around, and still far from being big business. They need to make money to survive, and apparently they're moving in the right direction, but they're not there yet. They barely survived their near-death experience.

Yes, Mark Dillon had charisma, but the current management team at least has stamina and perseverance.

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lantern	2018-04-25 , 18:31
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Originally Posted by nthn

I indeed only meant to say that the new people in charge are no longer the charismatic types who come to community meetings and genuinely (seem to) care

Oh, another steve jobs cult follower?
Why can't we just have a hundred boring engineers who do their job?
What's with that American charismatic-leader urge?
Nokia became Nokia without a charismatic leader, and hundreds of other companies, did too.

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	nthn	2018-04-25 , 18:48
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Originally Posted by lantern

Oh, another steve jobs cult follower?
Why can't we just have a hundred boring engineers who do their job?
What's with that American charismatic-leader urge?
Nokia became Nokia without a charismatic leader, and hundreds of other companies, did too.

You're wrongly reading a lot of things into a simple statement, and it seems you've completely missed what the preceeding 10 posts were about. There's no longer a godhead, so there's no longer anyone to look up to to, no longer anyone to cause blind faith. This says nothing whatsoever about Jolla's qualities, and is a negative value statement about charismatic leaders and their followers.

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	pichlo	2018-04-25 , 19:31
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You are absolutely right! I totally overlooked Mark's departure and did not make the obvious connection between that and the virtual disappearance of Jolla apologists. I never gave a hoot about Mark (if anything, I considered him a distracting element) and I forgot that religious followers need a Messiah. I simply assumed that most dreamers simply sobered up. But I think you are closer to the mark, pun intended.

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