I have had pretty good service with buying used Dell desktops and a few Acer laptops.

The used Dell Vostro 260 desktop PC came with no O/S on it from Ebay and Linux runs great on it. All of the hardware is identified and works with Linux. I upgraded to a Asus Xonar 5.1 audio card and all I had to do is some configuration settings in ALSA and it works great.

The Ace Aspire quad core i7 laptop I am dual booting Win 7 and Linux, PClinuxOS to be specific. And all hardware works with Linux

Very well said. It comes to my mind the Qt Company among many others, where any one can contribute, even I did some very small code contribution and the public bug tracker gives me very confidence in that company even if I didnt see all the millions lines of code.
I personally much rather use linux, but I also have to use windows for my professional frelance work, I have a windows projecad license (similar to autocad). This topic just gave the ideia to write an email to them asking for a linux version. Probably they wont do it, but I think if people start raising their hands maybe companies start to listen.

Not really. It all depends on the tools one uses to build the source into something usable;
http://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack

It's hopeless, juiceme. You can only have a dialogue with people who are willing to listen.

I never disputed the (theoretical) benefits of open source. Only the claim that those benefits are always, without fail, realized in practice.

Oh stop those FOSS wars. We are in the same camp. Push towards the light and leave the dark behind. It's not worth to convince eachother as everyone has its own set of tools in the head developed by own experiences in real life scenarios and that is why we see the world different. He has his view you have yours. Great. Lets move on and push FOSS forward

As for the laptops - I use Lenovo T530 - they do their job and are the last ones without that useless for me numeric keyboard which forces me to move hands to the left and not be centered towards the screen. The most beefed up offer quad core I7 (well not that modern of course) but they do the job.

I have seen this written before, can some one please explain to me, how a monthly pay as you go OS would stop all the update problems?

Would this not only work if everyone was running with the same hardware, same OS and were all running the same programs?

exactly....
and even then....
M$ has a knack for making the impossible very likely..
The problems will be worse in my guesstimation.
especially if the updates are monthly. It will be headache after headache.

along with the increased grip M$ will have on those using it, expect many devices to end up on a "list" of unusable hardware that they are not willing or do not have an "interest" in making it work on.
That I can see being a result.
There will be a perpetually updated list of new hardware that the new windows will run on, and that "list" will grow.
But the "list" of hardware that won't run nominally with the new windows will grow faster.
Fueling the forced obsolescence of hardware that much faster.
My guess.
and that I can figure will just be the tip of the iceberg.

I like this thread. I am with pichlo about trustworthiness. But in the end I have to choose the least bad which is in my opinion Open Source. I think, that your maldoing in the code can be found and it can be traced to your account sets the bar higher for someone trying to harm. Yes, there is the KTH (which I find an interesting article, thx @juiceme) but since this applies to any system it can be disregarded for choosing between known alternatives. It can't be disregarded when discussion trustworthiness, to make that clear.

As for the original post: I am still using Win7 for work (a switch to Win10 is already in testing stage) and for private. This is because my PC from 2009 is still running and running... If I need to configure a new machine, it will be Linux with a VM for some older software I have to use or older games I like to play. Most tasks do not need Windows anymore. My whole softwarestack has changed in the last couple of years. Nowadays I use software available on both platforms.

Also I have a laptop but that is very substandard and not capable of running VMs. I bought it to perform my linux tasks like maintenance of e.g. the desktop PC of my father in law or fixing my J1 It's nice for that, pre-installed Win7 was removed straight away.

Talking of my father in law: when I bought him a laptop some years ago I made sure, he used firefox thunderbird and libreoffice. So when a new machine had to be bought, I got him a nice silent desktop box running ubuntu out of the box (Solo Nanum SE22). This will be the road to go for me to, except I like to build my own machine. Not for security reasons but for the fun! And I get to choose the parts, all of them.

To be fair, this article from what I've gathered is just clickbait fear mongering.

Windows DaaS model is for enterprises. And it can make a whole lot of sense there, where dozens or hundreds of machines may have to be kept updated. It can make sense to outsource the managing to microsoft both from quality and cost perspective.

It's not a plan to move private user's Windows to this model. Not that Microsoft wouldn't want to. But I'd imagine they're not crazy enough to think that people wouldn't abandon Windows in droves if they did that.

So basically nothing to see here. Not that I wouldn't love everyone to abandon Windows in droves. This news is just not what it purports to be.

agreed Amboss , I too like barebones building.


Not so agreed ajalkane,
M$ currently offers Windows 10, Office 365 and its Intune device-management and security products in the form of the Microsoft 365 subscription bundle.

The aim is that specific M$ partner businesses (ie: Dell, Lenovo, etc) will be targeted and both parties (M$ and the manufacturer) will work toward a complaint structure for the new M$ desktop DaaS model. Meaning M$ is closing the field and tightening control , in this regard.
It will be ...
want to run windows?
you must have a compliant device and a subscription.
How/whether Microsoft plans to allow partners to sell the Microsoft Managed Desktop platform and add value on top of it or if Microsoft intends to sell this directly to large enterprise customers itself (or both) is the only real question remaining.

some Microsoft partners are selling what sounds a lot like this Microsoft Managed Desktop service, but under the "Modern Workplace as a Service (MWaaS) banner. Microsoft has been using "Modern Workplace" to refer to its Microsoft 365 subscription bundle and related software/services.

Just look at CompNow, an Australian education, government and business services vendor, sells a Modern Workplace package that includes a Windows device of choice, Office 365, Windows 10, Enterprise Mobility + Security, managed IT services and helpdesk, a flexible warranty all for one monthly payment, (from what the company website has to say)
https://www.compnow.com.au/mwaas/
sure that is an enterprise / business model...
but..the model works.

having the 6 month update of patches and pulls that cause chaos currently is an excellent strategy to soften and warm everyone up to a subscription model.
Already the market is prime for it.
I hear all the time here at TMO how "the latest phone is a must have ...and so-and-so is going to buy it"
People buy the latest phones on a 2 year or year or less basis.
The planned obsolescence model works.
DaaS implementation on the desktop should be trouble free as far as huge outcry.



Everyone using approved hardware that has been tested for compat.
Everyone using just 1 desktop. The same desktop on the same hardware is an easy way not only to control but an easy way to troubleshoot.
No more insanely costly support for the previous version of the OS (ie win xp, 2000, me, vista, win 7 etc... ) or even 2 previous versions whose lifespan M$ has felt obliged to support while dealing with the current one.
Due to the fact that people wish to continue using , or refuse to upgrade from, or who are too lazy too, or businesses who are still running old versions that get compromised or fail...
It is costly.
No doubt.
Madly costly I am sure.

The DaaS model is basically M$ deformed concept of a rolling release model involving the device manufacturers ...
But a paid subscription and enforced.

It will save them a lot of money.
and that is something I don't think they will ignore and continue with the "business as usual " model of the last few decades.
Long before articles such as this, the word is that win 10 will be the last of its kind.
What that meant at the time was speculation.
What is happening now is prep for implementation ...
The deets of that implementation are another matter.
But from a cost cutting view alone it is sane for M$ to be heading in this direction.

Don't sweat it...
there are other options...
I am sure that ReactOS is going to absolutely jump in new users when ..by 202? the big M$ migration occurs