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2016-01-19 , 16:31
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#41
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
hahahahahahaa...
oh my ...
that was good zogg...

but srsly - not .net ...
can't you guys smell the burning?
there is no more anti MS than me and i would say .net is a good one actually.
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2016-01-19 , 16:40
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#42
for the time being...
but I like java...
(personal pref. of course)
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#43
Originally Posted by romu View Post
After some time to think about it. If we assume the web is eating the world, I would recommend to forget about Java and .Net and learn web development instead.
Heavens, no. Web tech is like the result of inbreeding Frankenstein's monster's offspring. It's a mish mash of various poorly integrating techniques, which are inconveniently held together by a plethora of third party, often amateurish libraries. And you're using a dynamically typed interpreted language as glue.

I've marveled at how pleasant QML/QtQuick is compared to web tech - even though QML is a javascript-derived language.
 

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#44
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic View Post
I've marveled at how pleasant QML/QtQuick is compared to web tech - even though QML is a javascript-derived language.
Yeah, there's no comparison between the elegance of QML and the clumsiness of web tech. QML, however, is not JavaScript derived, but QtQuick merely features a pretty fast JavaScript engine.

JavaScript, OTOH, shouldn't be put aside as the web's toy language it once was.
It came a long way, got highly optimized JavaScript engines, and excels as an object-based functional language with lambda expressions, closures (a very powerful concept), and prototypical inheritance. And it is THE language that powers the web 2.0.
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#45
Originally Posted by pycage View Post
Yeah, there's no comparison between the elegance of QML and the clumsiness of web tech. QML, however, is not JavaScript derived, but QtQuick merely features a pretty fast JavaScript engine.
Yeah, but it mostly is javascript It's not a drawback, it's well-suited to handle the GUI side of things.

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JavaScript, OTOH, shouldn't be put aside as the web's toy language it once was.
It came a long way, got highly optimized JavaScript engines, and excels as an object-based functional language with lambda expressions, closures (a very powerful concept), and prototypical inheritance. And it is THE language that powers the web 2.0.
Yet you can't use these features most of the time, because of browser support. It has its strengths, but can't compete to Java or C#.

I've no hands-on experience with C++11/14 unfortunately, but from what I've read, it looks nice too these days. Combine it with Qt and QML, and it might prove to be a whole lot more nicer than WPF/XAML, which is also declarative, but is much more convoluted than QML/QtQuick.
 
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2016-01-20 , 13:36
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#46
Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic View Post
Yet you can't use these features most of the time, because of browser support. It has its strengths, but can't compete to Java or C#.
Yo wot? ever heard of nodejs?
 
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#47
Originally Posted by juiceme View Post
Yo wot? ever heard of nodejs?
And still you can't compare those, especially performance!

And just to prove my point - watch this (you can skip the beginning as it's little bit of rails there):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhZZNUyVFM
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#48
Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
And still you can't compare those, especially performance!

And just to prove my point - watch this (you can skip the beginning as it's little bit of rails there):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhZZNUyVFM
Nowdays nodejs performance is pretty good.
And BTW, did you try the above tricks in node, or in a browser console, and if you did, what version was it...?
Since I just checked and at least v0.12.2 behaves more consistently.
 
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2016-01-21 , 09:16
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Hi guys, advocates of learning Qt/QML. The problem is not what's the best development platform. Time has shown many times that the best technology doesn't win all the time.

And if we're talking of learning development to make a living. Sorry, but web development can offer much much more jobs opportunities than Qt/QML.
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I know about a programming introduction courses of Java. The advantage here is that you'll have a Interactive walkthrough. This is codegym codegym java course
 
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